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[Pasidon]

If that's proper, then I'll proudly hang my hat in another dimension.

 

Well... it's alright.  That modern stuff has its moments. The remix'y stuff, even.  They often take a really junk song with a gimmick of a good lyric or three, and make something out of the good lyrics with a better noise around them.

 

[Irenë Hawnetyne]

That's some real uninventive songwriting right there.

[Assault_Rains]

That's some real uninventive songwriting right there.

Maybe because electronic music isn't always about songwriting?


You guys have your drums, guitar, bass and generic instruments. We have synths, more synths and even more synths. Sick sound design can make something good, also tastes differ.

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Edited by Assault_Rains, 06 November 2015 - 07:56 AM.

[Irenë Hawnetyne]

You guys have your drums, guitar, bass and generic instruments. We have synths, more synths and even more synths.

 

I have no problem with electronic music in the slightest, but if you're gonna call a group of instruments generic, don't follow it up with "synths, more synths and even more synths".

 

And the jab at songwriting was more focused on the word 'uninventive', ie. this music isn't advancing out of what's been done before a number of times, nor does it excel in the genre which it's from... aka it's nothing new and it's not the best of what it's trying to be.

[Assault_Rains]

You guys have your drums, guitar, bass and generic instruments. We have synths, more synths and even more synths.

I have no problem with electronic music in the slightest, but if you're gonna call a group of instruments generic, don't follow it up with "synths, more synths and even more synths".
 
And the jab at songwriting was more focused on the word 'uninventive', ie. this music isn't advancing out of what's been done before a number of times, nor does it excel in the genre which it's from... aka it's nothing new and it's not the best of what it's trying to be.

Well, genres are genres.

To me all Metal, Rock, Punk, Pop, Bigroom, Trap, Rap, Hip-Hop and whatever is out there have a signature sound, they all follow something that's common in the genre.

For electronic music (Subgenre Electro/Progressive House/Techno/Tech-House) this usually means being in the scales of F/Gmin or F#/G#min (Dmin for Rap/Trap/Hip-Hop is common), usually they also follow a 4 to the floor rhythm etc. The goal is to be generic for easy mixing.

This usually means:
32 bars of intro, variatons at 8 and 16 bars
32 bars of drop, impact after 8 bars, variation after 16 bars
32/48 bars of breakdown coming into a buildup for 8/16 bars
32 bars of the second drop
32 bars of outro

(newer commercial EDM uses shorter or other proportions)

So as you can see this music really follows a formula to be generic. It allows for DJ's to easily mix the genre within itself, also the scales used are the same to avoid out of key mixing. The only way to stand out is unique synths and melodies, everything else just remains within the formula.


^ This would be a "radio" mix, due to the lack of the long intro and outro. All other structural elements just follow with the formula above.


^ This follows the above formula, genre being Tech-House. A good DJ will make this more interesting by mixing it with other song elements and effects for tension.


The song that Pasidon posted is rather one dimensional though.

Edited by Assault_Rains, 07 November 2015 - 03:39 AM.

[Irenë Hawnetyne]

 

Don't you think that makes it inventive though? If a song deliberately (or, in a worse case, unintentionally) limits itself to a formula, don't you think that makes a problem?

 

Now, I don't know much about rap, trap or hip-hop, and I've never even heard of bigroom, but I can safely say that a lot of the best metal out there does its very best not to stick to formula, even if it contains elements which describe it loosely as metal. I mean, for a couple of a examples, you have Slipknot and Korn, which pioneered a new sound which no-one had done before, and that's the point I'm trying to make. Inventive music tries to do something new, and I don't see that in this music, is all.  

To me all Metal, Rock, Punk, Pop, Bigroom, Trap, Rap, Hip-Hop and whatever is out there have a signature sound, they all follow something that's common in the genre.

 

 

 

This, to me, is a example of the music you're posting, but more inventive:

 

Rather than being rock music incorporating electronic elements, this is electronic music incorporating rock elements, and it works well, and doesn't stick to any formula other than having a chorus.

[Assault_Rains]

Don't you think that makes it inventive though? If a song deliberately (or, in a worse case, unintentionally) limits itself to a formula, don't you think that makes a problem?
 
Now, I don't know much about rap, trap or hip-hop, and I've never even heard of bigroom, but I can safely say that a lot of the best metal out there does its very best not to stick to formula, even if it contains elements which describe it loosely as metal. I mean, for a couple of a examples, you have Slipknot and Korn, which pioneered a new sound which no-one had done before, and that's the point I'm trying to make. Inventive music tries to do something new, and I don't see that in this music, is all.  

To me all Metal, Rock, Punk, Pop, Bigroom, Trap, Rap, Hip-Hop and whatever is out there have a signature sound, they all follow something that's common in the genre.

 
 
This, to me, is a example of the music you're posting, but more inventive:
 
Rather than being rock music incorporating electronic elements, this is electronic music incorporating rock elements, and it works well, and doesn't stick to any formula other than having a chorus.

The thing with EDM is that if someone invents something unique and it's good people will hop onto the bandwagon ridiculously fast.

Tchami as example started "Future House":


Now that became a genre and similar basslines + weird synths are found in nearly every track.


Also metal has the double kick pedalling + bassist going ham. dududududududu *screams something* dudududududududu *screams something* is something that I hear quite frequently. Anyways I think discussing this will get us nowhere as our tastes are different and we perceive the genres from a different standpoint.

*posts pop music*

Edited by Assault_Rains, 07 November 2015 - 08:26 AM.

[Irenë Hawnetyne]

Also metal has the double kick pedalling + bassist going ham. dududududududu *screams something* dudududududududu *screams something* is something that I hear quite frequently. Anyways I think discussing this will get us nowhere as our tastes are different and we perceive the genres from a different standpoint.

 

Though I'm obliged to protest, I agree, this isn't going anywhere. Also, Centuries is good.

Thus:

[OmegaBolt]

That video doesn't have any sound for me btw.

 

From one of the albums I just love to go back to. You might like this one Irene as it's got a great downbeat, melancholic, desolate, atmospheric thing going on. If you do, then listen to the album from start to finish as it's a concept piece.

 

Edited by OmegaBolt, 07 November 2015 - 12:39 PM.

[Irenë Hawnetyne]

I don't think I'd put it on my top ten favourite songs, but I like it. There's definitely a lot going on there which appeals to me.

[OmegaBolt]

I would be very surprised if a song you just heard became one of your top ten, so that's ok.

[Mathijs]

Oh, you kids and your discussions on art. 

 

Anyway:

[Assault_Rains]

You want some fast paced stuff, you get some fast paced stuff.

[Pasidon]

What is with this loud, skull bashing music recently?  It's just... please.  There must be other options.

[OmegaBolt]

What about some bluesy stuff then.

 

[ICT]

What is with this loud, skull bashing music recently?  It's just... please.  There must be other options.

 

Proper sunday's

 

[Assault_Rains]

[PurpleGaga27]

Well after hearing some good and decent music, time for me to post my favorite five songs of 2015 :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last but not least, honorable mention covers of 2015:

 

[Irenë Hawnetyne]

That's the first time I've actually liked an Ellie Goulding song. Fun fact: I know someone who may as well be her doppelgänger.

[duke_Qa]

Had a conference today where Kari Rueslåtten told us about her experience with how the music business works different today compared to twenty years ago, which was sort of interesting. Anyway, I told her in a break she must go and ask Arjen to get to join one of his albums, she has a magical voice. She said she knows of him and that he does press like on her facebook stuff now and then, but hadn't thought about that before. So now, if I'm lucky, I might have put in motion to get a singer to sing for Arjen

Here's one song she did today and is on her latest album, a cover of a old 60s song, works very well in a melancholic style.

 

Edited by duke_Qa, 14 November 2015 - 01:35 AM.