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[Pellean]

Overall I prefer the "Primer on Imperial Power" in The Imperial Sourcebook to the prequel trilogy...

[Darth Paxis]

Yeah, too many of them are Imperial-class, but Jerec's series of ships is perfectly reasonable. The original Imperial I-class Vengeance, the replacement Imperial I-class Vengeance II, and his unique Star Dreadnought, Vengeance, are just fine.

Oh yeah thats fine. I get the sentimentality he had with that name. Its just we then throw in an ISD Vengeance that led the attack on Datar, then another ISD Vengeance that was the flagship of an Imperial Advisor, an SSD called Vengeance and some other one I cant remember. Just saying a little originality wouldn't kill them.

[Casen]

I don't hate George Lucas, because without him the universe would never exist in the first place, but that doesn't mean I am not extremely irritated with the way some things have happened.

True, but it seems that statistically other people have done better with the universe he created than he himself.

I don't like it when people single out the Prequels as being bad for the most part, because the six films are meant to be treated as one film. Though, I must admit that The Phantom Menace is seemingly boring, but it started the story the way it needed to be started, and how was Palpatine supposed to dismantle the Republic without the politics (a common complaint that really is unfounded considering the story was originally influenced by such events as the Third Reich and Watergate in the first place) in Attack of the Clones?

You have to understand I am criticizing them mostly from a movie perspective; they're BAD MOVIES.

Only Revenge of the Sith was relatively decent, and even then it's only because they severely Rule of Cool'd the drama at the end.

http://www.redletter...tom_menace.html

http://www.redletter...com/clones.html

The dialogue is terrible.

Really, it's the EXECUTION that makes them suck, nothing else. The bad acting and countless other shit, including plot holes.

George Lucas needs people to work with him like they did with the original trilogy.

He has decent/good base ideas but he executes them terribly on his own.

[Tropical Bob]

George Lucas needs people to work with him like they did with the original trilogy.

He has decent/good base ideas but he executes them terribly on his own.

You know he ran basically everything when making A New Hope right? Sounds like good execution to me.

Edited by Tropical Bob, 29 November 2010 - 06:13 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

ANH also went through numerous and drastic editing between drafts. I'd imagine that when your budget is limited like that, you'd have to put a great deal of thought and organization into every scene.

Bottom line, if GL did TPM in '77 instead of ANH, it comes out a different film. I don't think '99 TPM would yield sequels on its own, much less a multi-billion dollar industry. It's not terribly relatable and lacks the set-up-the-universe quality of ANH.

[Zeta1127]

Sadly, I have to agree PR. About the only thing that could capture people's imagination in TPM is the mysterious Sith (both Palpatine/Darth Sidious and the Sith Order of Darth Bane). The Clone Wars and the legendary Jedi Knights of the Old Republic almost certainly drew people to ANH in the first place.

[Darth Paxis]

Sadly, I have to agree PR. About the only thing that could capture people's imagination in TPM is the mysterious Sith (both Palpatine/Darth Sidious and the Sith Order of Darth Bane). The Clone Wars and the legendary Jedi Knights of the Old Republic almost certainly drew people to ANH in the first place.

And even then it really takes the mystery and suspense out of the story when you know who the "enigmatic" second Sith is.

[Ghostrider]

Kacen - that's the second time I've had to edit one of your old posts (earlier in this thread) for offensive language.
I'm very disappointed.

Do NOT let it happen again!

Ghost.

Edited by Ghostrider, 01 December 2010 - 01:01 PM.

[Zeta1127]

Sadly, I have to agree PR. About the only thing that could capture people's imagination in TPM is the mysterious Sith (both Palpatine/Darth Sidious and the Sith Order of Darth Bane). The Clone Wars and the legendary Jedi Knights of the Old Republic almost certainly drew people to ANH in the first place.

And even then it really takes the mystery and suspense out of the story when you know who the "enigmatic" second Sith is.

That is what happens when you make TPM after ANH, TESB, and RotJ, would have been a lot different if TPM was made first. GL didn't originally intend to have TPM, AotC, and RotS in the first place, only later did he realize that ANH was really Episode IV not Episode I.

Edited by Zeta1127, 21 June 2011 - 06:10 PM.

[Zeta1127]

I would like to rephrase something, I don't mind things like the ships created for the Legacy era, but the story is just terrible, it takes place too close to the rest of the story, which makes what Luke and the rest of them did meaningless.

I just discovered how narrow-minded Wookieepedia really is; they won't even either lower case or capitalize the Fleet/Field commander articles unless it is done in a canon source, fortunately, I just changed that because they are both capitalized in EaW/FoC, and they won't make the official name for the Eclipse and Sovereign-classes Star Dreadnought instead of Super Star Destroyer. They might as well have an army of droids instead of people editing Wookieepedia, it would probably be cheaper and easier than causing edit wars over things that really matter (please see my thread starting post for this thread and many subsequent posts for excellent examples of this).

Edited by Zeta1127, 21 June 2011 - 06:11 PM.

[Tropical Bob]

I don't mind things like the ships created for the Legacy era

That's funny, because when I look at half of the ships they thought up, I wondered where the common sense of starship designers went after the Second Galactic Civil War. The Pellaeon-class Star Destroyer is basically the only reasonable design in the series that I've seen via Wookie.

[Zeta1127]

I know I am bumping this, but it is very relevant to the purpose of the original post.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars is officially non-canon to me, they have gone too far. Don't know what I am talking about? I will explain. TCW has officially done the most ridiculous thing they could have possibly done, they have completely disregarded a whole section of a novel, and a recent novel at that. Even Piell was one of the Jedi Masters on the Jedi Council that didn't appear in Revenge of the Sith, so his fate was unknown until Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight, where it was depicted that he survived the Clone Wars and died during the Great Jedi Purge. This was all fine and dandy until TCW showed him dying during the second year of the Clone Wars! I had hoped something like this wouldn't happen, but it did; changing a rather small thing like the Tantive IV or Ryloth is one thing, but to completely disregard something that was previously established, is something else entirely. About the only way they can resolve this is say it was a flashback to when Even Piell died during TCW, which is stretch to say the least.

Edited by Zeta1127, 26 April 2011 - 02:20 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

There's a good reason I picked an 18 BBY start date...

[Zeta1127]

There's a good reason I picked an 18 BBY start date...

I know what you mean, I like the Clone Wars era, but this is just getting ridiculous.

The novel came out a few months before TCW started airing, you think they could have done a better job trying to avoid such things. This happened into a recent episode, but still shouldn't have ever happened in the first place.

Edited by Zeta1127, 25 April 2011 - 08:51 PM.

[Solusar]

The novel came out a few months before TCW started airing, you think they could have done a better job trying to avoid such things. This happened into a recent episode, but still shouldn't have ever happened in the first place.

They could, but as we have seen throughout the series in regards to various pieces of cannon - its all just a bit too hard.

I wouldn't be all that surprised if there was an episode that featured the death of Aayla Secura.

[Zeta1127]

I don't mind things like the ships created for the Legacy era

That's funny, because when I look at half of the ships they thought up, I wondered where the common sense of starship designers went after the Second Galactic Civil War. The Pellaeon-class Star Destroyer is basically the only reasonable design in the series that I've seen via Wookie.

I should have responded to this a long time ago, but now is as good a time as any. Yeah, the Pellaeon-class Star Destroyer was definitely well thought out and therefore by far my most favorite Legacy era ship.

[DaveAshton]

There's a good reason I picked an 18 BBY start date...

I know what you mean, I like the Clone Wars era, but this is just getting ridiculous.

The novel came out a few months before TCW started airing, you think they could have done a better job trying to avoid such things. This happened into a recent episode, but still shouldn't have ever happened in the first place.

I just apply a bit of fanon discontinuity to the bits that don't make sense or simply couldn't have happened the way TCW shows it.

That way, you still get the characters like Cad Bane and ships like Malevolence, but you can just ignore anything that doesn't fit (such as the pacifist Mandalorian fiasco).

[Phoenix Rising]

I've not seen any of the cartoon series, but I don't think I can get past the garish attempt at impersonating a western gunslinger, otherwise known as Cad Bane. Stupidest outfit in continuity, aside from some of Amidala's. Sombreros are for sun, dusters are for dust, and slugs are for slugthrowers. Nothing more than a galactic hipster, by the looks of it.

I'm a fan of Malevolence though. Dreadnaughts are like this big secret that nobody can talk about outside of the odd reference book, so it's good the CIS got one.

[Zeta1127]

I agree, things like the Malevolence were well thought out, but if the show can't respect existing canon by their doing whatever they want to do just because they can make the rules, what good is the show or the canon system?

Edited by Zeta1127, 02 May 2011 - 07:53 AM.

[smashedsaturn]

Well to me the show is such a disappointment, first off the animation is just awful, I'd rather have fake anime, honestly its horrible, then they have all these strange things that make no sense, ie: anikin's apprentice when he was not a master, the Y-wings, ret-coning stuff just for fun (mandos), and silly weapons (like the massive ion cannons of the malevolence, if these existed why didn't any ships ever use a similar armament again). It could have been an excellent show, but it was ruined, just like the prequels