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#61 Ash

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 04:34 PM

Ash - I have to say I see a bit of tea-party logic in that "arrest". Using a law from around 1200, which I assume is the one repealed in 1969, in an attempt to do something against the system today? Sometimes laws gets old and irrelevant.


The article and law they quoted is practically Space Corps Directive-level irrelevancy. What the hell difference does it make what a Knight's fee is to whether it's OK to storm a court and arrest the judge? As I say, nothing in the law - Common law or the Statutes - says "It shall be an offence to find someone guilty of tax avoidance"... :mellow:

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:21 AM

What the hell difference does it make what a Knight's fee is to whether it's OK to storm a court and arrest the judge? As I say, nothing in the law - Common law or the Statutes - says "It shall be an offence to find someone guilty of tax avoidance"... :mellow:

Still, the law is the law - if you can use it against them, why the hell shouldn't you?
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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:27 AM

Absolutely. Though I'm just querying how usable against them this particular law is. :p

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 11:24 AM

In the video clip the man is referring to article 61, not 16 as reported in my quote from PrisonPlanet. I don't know if that makes any difference, but anyway sorry for the confusing it might have caused.

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From The People's United Community: What does Article 61 (Lawful Rebellion) stand for? You have Sovereignty, realize it, and use it.:

Under article 61 of Magna Carta 1215 (the founding document of our Constitution) we have a right to enter into lawful rebellion if we feel we are being governed unjustly. Contrary to common belief our Sovereign and her government are only there to govern us and not to rule us and this must be done within the constraint of our Common Law and the freedoms asserted to us by such Law, nothing can become law in this country if it falls outside of this simple constraint.

Article 61 shows quite clearly who really holds the power in this country, that being quite simply us the people; we have Sovereignty not any Parliament and nor can this be taken from us by any Parliament who claim to have taken the people’s Sovereignty. As defined above any act passed by a Parliament to remove the power the people possess, or to remove the power from the point of constraint we invested the power in, is invalid as it falls outside of the constraint laid down by Common/Constitutional Law.

This is a simple safeguard put in place to protect our freedoms under said law and to never allow such freedoms to be removed or diminished. So in reality any Act, Statute and subsequent law or legislation formed by these actions, that effects our freedoms asserted to us, is quite evidently unjust, invalid and most certainly illegal.

By invoking article 61 we are quite clearly stating that we feel we are being governed unjustly and after giving the head of state (Her Majesty) 40 day’s to correct this, if this is not corrected, then we can simply enter into lawful rebellion and we do this under the full protection of our Constitutional Law.


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 01:00 PM

The tpuc spout a load of hogwash. Clause 61 was an accord the King made with the Barons' Alliance in 1215 that their Council of Barons (which would roughly equate to the modern-day House of Lords, in a loose way) could overrule the king and even take his lands and treasures off him if they so chose.

Nothing in there about the rest of the population, lawful rebellion or any such thing - it was merely a way for the barons to assert a greater level of control and authority, allowing them to rival or even surpass the king. It bestows no authority to anyone except that 25-strong Council of Barons.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 04:56 PM

If those people's interpretation of the law is not correct, why is it then so important for the government to censor them?
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Posted 02 June 2011 - 05:14 PM

Probably because people watching demonstrations on youtube are most of the time not very well-read on law. I can imagine that quite a bit of censorship helps governments stop riots based on retarded and false information from spawning. Slowing down the initial explosion is most likely wise in those situations.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:29 PM

They just worry that it's going to incite a greater influx of more-of-the-same as it'd make the discontent look greater than perhaps it is. They do like to suppress some of the discontent to make the popular opinion look in their favour.

As it is their approval rating is pretty low and shall remain so. It's just the British people have grown apathetic after over half a century of not being listened to by the people they voted for.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 09:11 PM

Protests are growing by the day in Greece. Greek Newspapers online report of 300.000 people gathered at Syntagma Square in Athens, and protests in almost every other Greek City:

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 08:06 AM

Two days later and the world is still turning around.

A local newspaper had an article that around 7500 Greeks are getting retirement welfare, even though they have been recorded as dead for some time. And they also are going to have a visit to the suspicious large amount of people over 100 years that are receiving money from the state. There's 11 million living in Greece, 2.2% of the EU population. If they want the goods from such a union they have to pay their dues.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 09:09 AM

Just read that they´re planning to raise the expenditure of my country on the EUSSR by €2.2 billion. Yes, €2.2 billion more to the EU while at the same time we're cutting budgets in education, healthcare, and safety...

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 11:05 AM

Yep. I think our tithe to the Eurocrats is going up, too.

Nice to know our governments have their priorities straight, and that they've got our best interests at heart.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 12:34 PM



Old, but still important.

And I just read that they´re planning to increase the budget of the EU by 5% a year for the next six years. And who voted for that? Of course, the European Parliament itself! A junkie doesn't vote against more money for drugs, after all.

Really, the more I read about it, the more I simply desire to simply go there and burn the whole EP to the ground.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 12:56 PM

Watching some more videos of this Farage guy:


Finally a politican who realizes what's going on.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 09:51 PM

The Euro-crisis explained in one sentence:

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 10:18 PM

That Rumpuy chap really is worthless. Did anyone vote for him? I don't remember anyone voting for that fuckwit.

Oh, that's right. Because the Eurocracy isn't a democracy.

I really hope that the collapse starts soon.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 08:15 AM

A good decapitation might be in order, to get rid of the old heads and get some new ones in there. I still doubt there will be a total disintegration of the EU, the Eurozone might get some bumps but will probably live a more careful life afterwards.

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Posted 14 June 2011 - 01:01 PM

While the politicians and the bankers of Europe are starting to disagree loudly in public, the time may be running out on them very soon:

From Forbes:Roubini Warns Of Euro Break Up As Greek Credit Rating Tumbles

Greece and the Eurozone increasingly resemble a dying animal, with vultures circling above. A double-whammy of terrible news hit on Monday, with a multi-notch downgrade of Greece’s credit rating by S&P, making it the worst in the world, and a gloomy commentary by Nouriel Roubini who warned that “the Eurozone heads for break up.”

“The muddle-through approach to the eurozone crisis has failed to resolve the fundamental problems of economic and competitiveness divergence within the Union. If this continues the euro will move toward disorderly debt workouts and eventually a break-up of the monetary union itself as some of the weaker members crash out,” stated Roubini, also known as Dr. Doom, in an op-ed for the FT.

Roubini’s view echoes S&P’s, which downgraded Greece’s long-term sovereign debt rating to CCC from B, effectively making it the “lowest rated sovereign in the world, having fallen below Ecuador, Jamaica, Pakistan, and Grenada.” The latest downgrade of Greece’s sovereigns is tied to “a significantly higher likelihood of one or more defaults” probably in the form of commercial debt restructuring. What was once an emergency option reserved for the worst-case scenario, giving bondholders a haircut while extending maturities, is now essentially seen as a given by most market participants. “Debt restructuring will happen” wrote Roubini, “the question is when (sooner or later) and how (orderly or disorderly).” (Read Greece: Preemptive Debt Restructuring Or Eurozone Exit).

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The only way to restore peripheral competitiveness ... is by exiting the monetary union. “Leave the euro, go back to national currencies and achieve a massive nominal and real depreciation,” wrote Dr. Doom. The “Eurozone exit” option comes with a heavy burden, as it would imply “major real depreciation and capital losses on the creditor core,” being especially painful to Germany and its banking sector, but also hurting France and the rest of the Eurozone.

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With restructuring in Greece now looking all but inevitable, the risk that Ireland and Portugal will have to follow suit will rise exponentially. Once the rules that govern the system are broken, moral hazard ceases to be an impediment, a circuit breaker. Once people lose faith in a system, a vicious cycle, like a bank run, propagates through, like a virus through arteries and veins, which will put it on its knees.


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Posted 15 June 2011 - 09:51 PM

G-pap just announced a new great big crazy plan for the Greeks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Shza4rsUU


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Posted 15 June 2011 - 10:00 PM

... but great big crazy plans have a tendency to crash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUGlSfV3xJs


As a personal note, that's the very island where I met my wife many years ago ... if it's for sale very very cheap, I might be interested.
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