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[Lauri]

Half a year, more like. The first two Extended Editions came out November 4th and 5th.

[Lenwë]

I'd just like to highlight this bit of text from an interview with PJ. 

 

 

 

 

 

*Especially line 10*

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[Mathijs]

In other words, Tauriel was added to pander to a certain demographic.

[Lenwë]

Pretty much, although, sticking stringently to the book instead would just have been pandering to a different demographic, as you put it.

[Pasidon]

So it's a case of Dr. Jackson and Mr. Moron.  I guess Jackson's secret stash of sanity juice ran dry after Return of the King, and out of sheer rage, decided to appeal to one clueless 9 year-old girl instead of millions of people that prefer the movies didn't have the wacky antics of elf boob and her slutty misadventure... featuring occasional violence.  Please show me this 9 year-old girl that appeals to an elvish killing machine that is bluntly in love with a midget she met in prison, because she needs a psychologist, not a 10 dollar movie.

[Lauri]

You can't really expect him to do anything but forgetting the hardcore Tolkien fans. He did the same in LotR, remember? The difference is that while LotR is amazing despite that, The Hobbit leaves much to be desired, to say the least. He did too much to satisfy the "fans of LotR", not realizing that we wanted another great trilogy (or two films, for my part), stand-alone (with subtle references), that will be praised as a worthy complement to LotR. Instead he ruined it with sledgehammer references, quantity spam, and bad choices in most departments. He was milking the story, dragging anything he could into it to make it longer, with more Middle-Earth content to appease the fans. I'm guilty in the line "The more LotR stuff the better!" myself, until I realized how shit things can turn when you put too much sugar in you tea.

 

I enjoy reading The Hobbit more than I enjoy LotR, barely, but when it comes to the films, it's not even close.

[Mathijs]

I'm not wholly against Tauriel, she could've been a well-rounded character and appealed to 9-year-olds without the pants-on-head deviation Pasidon so eloquently typified. More on that here 

[Nazgûl]

I agree. Tauriel imo is not all that bad, and she might even be nescessary to avoid clashes with the feminist movement, but the "love story" triangle BS is just lame and doesn't fit in. I felt the same though about Gimli and Legolas and their silly kill counting game in LotR.

[Radspakr Wolfbane]

Tauriel is a semi new character, wasn't she more of recasting the Captain of the Guard as female, which oddly makes Legolas less canon in those movies than Tauriel.

The part that bugged me was one I expected it was the women "let's go fight too", I actually groaned at that.

 

The counting game happened in the book too, just it didn't continue after Helm's Deep.

[Nazgûl]

Oh, my bad... Thanks for reminding me =)

[Elvenlord]

Finally saw the third film myself, and just no. I'm hard pressed to find anything I really enjoyed in it, except things like Bilbo's return to Bag End. 2/3's of the movie could have been cut without any real loss. There's just so many bad decisions in there. Bard using his kid as a bow. Giant earth eaters. Et Cetera. Pretty much everything in Mathijs' review, with a few exceptions. I don't know why Alfrid was there so much, he's just there to be a dick without any payoff. I would have loved to see Fili, Kili, and Thorin all go down fighting together. Then there's some of the visuals, mostly glaring is all the cgi (ugh Dain) and poor Galadriel whose scene in Fellowship looks better than it does here, at least design-wise, she looks like a zombie in BoFA. So much of it just felt so overdone, like Thorin's drowning in gold scene thing. That was so heavy-handed. 

 

Regarding the actual battle, it suffers heavily from the same thing as the other two, in that the fighting is far to choreographed. It looks more like a dance than a fight. I suppose that's a consequence of there being so much cgi, is there actually a fight between two non-cgi combatants? The combat in Lotr felt so much more real because there was actual people going at it instead of one guy fighting what will be added later.

 

Also, what the hell is this thing? Those arms are way too small for the body, I'm not sure if they designed it to be a joke or if this was supposed to be scary.

 

[Pasidon]

Clearly that's Peter Jackson.  You can tell since you can see all the ego from these films going straight to his head.

[Radspakr Wolfbane]

I thought a lot of the Trolls? were very reminiscent of the freaks from 300 especially that huge one no limbs.

I should say that by now I had learned to turn off the Tolkienite part of my brain which is not easy, but with it off it was an entertaining movie if a bit incomplete. 

Edited by Radspakr Wolfbane, 31 March 2015 - 08:10 AM.

[Lauri]

Regarding trolls, I find these ones quite awesome. Too bad they died before we got to see them in action.

 

I also think that this picture sums up the movie quite nicely:

[Mathijs]

That image sums it up so well.

[Radspakr Wolfbane]

Yeah I was disappointed we didn't get much of those trolls.

Also holy crap the siege trolls were enormous like the headbutting one (that one was awesome, kind of tempted to add that one to my mod).

[Baki]

The worst of the film was this thing:

 

 

(I just couldn't find a better pic, sorry)

[Bashkuga]

Something I found at the modding union forums; some scenes from the extended edition!

 

https://www.facebook...8125279/videos/

 

Very excited now!

[GhostOfDurin]

Something I found at the modding union forums; some scenes from the extended edition!

 

https://www.facebook...8125279/videos/

 

Very excited now!

I think Dain in the coronation scene is actually Billy Connoly and not CGI.

[Bofur]

Yeah, he's real there... To be brutally honest, I actually prefer CG Dain, he looks really thin there...