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[a.fake.name]

Bob, instead of scaling up, you could always scale DOWN the ships.

 

Also, yes, I saw your name on the mods page and in the readme for the map pack.

Fun mod overall (I just played about 30 minutes of a space campaign), but the inclusion of broadside cruisers and the stock marauder corvettes ruin it, I have to say they get my pick for WORST vanilla units.

 

That said, any chance we could see the medical corvette used in PR ?

Prehaps have it give a salvage bonus for any ships you loose due to crewmembers being saved as a way of simulating the doctors onboard saving pilots and crew ?

 

[evilbobthebob]

Well in PR we do scale down, in v1.2 the scale is 0.66 alamo units per m, anything smaller than that and fighters become miniscule specks.

 

The old UEAW builds are quite patchy, units and balance-wise. The medical ship is actually a frigate, Nebulon-B if I remember correctly. I don't think it really has a place in PR, apart from maybe being a later upgrade of the Nebulon-B series.

[a.fake.name]

Yeah it's a Nebulon-B, and it's not exactly upgrade material given that it looses it's turbos in exchange for better shielding, hence why I suggested what I did.

I gotta say, it seemed pretty decent for an older EAW mod, although the hardpoints were quite amusing given how easy they make it to exploit the shitty design (of the vanilla game) to win with minimal forces. (note: not knocking the mod, just the games design team)
Being able to destroy a stations hanger ASAP and cut off reinforcements makes it so easy.

[megabalta]

So basically the skyboxes are the limiting factor?

[a.fake.name]

Personally, I'd be willing to have invisible snubcraft in exchange for better scaling.

Hell, take the smaller capital ships (IPV patrol craft, Corvette/gunship, etc) and have them play a little more like fighters do currently if they get hard to see (IE: icon when zoomed out).

[Kitkun]

FYI: Happened to notice that Wook now states that the Assassin-class has been identified as the CR92a by an RPG supplement.

http://starwars.wiki...-class_corvette

[a.fake.name]

FYI: Happened to notice that Wook now states that the Assassin-class has been identified as the CR92a by an RPG supplement.

http://starwars.wiki...-class_corvette

Well then, it seems we have a VERY strong contender...

[johnchm.10]

It occurs to me that we have no reference to how fast the BAC is. In most other respects, she's considered to be comparable to the Victory 1, if not better, but nothing about real space speed. Thoughts?

[johnchm.10]

And on a related note, I know that it's not a canon source, but check this out

http://rpggamer.org/...untless Cruiser

[a.fake.name]

Looks good.

I like how they make it more broadside focused, that said obviously those stats wouldn't work too well in PR until all the ships fire arcs were standardized.

[Darth Paxis]

Yeah, sorry bob but that is actually one of the bigger continuity errors in PR.

http://starwars.wiki...Home_(starship)

The Reef Home was a Liberty TYPE MC80 cruiser.

http://starwars.wiki...80_Star_Cruiser

Yeah, the Liberty and Reef Home types seen ingame were pretty much the same ship.

They just looked different because the Mon Cal's design each ship different.

 

 

Apologies for rehashing an old discussion. While the Reef Home itself is indeed a Liberty-type, the actual class of ship referred to in this mod as the Reef Home type is canonically a different class from the Liberties, currently only known so far as the MC80a. I believe it's the endnotes for the EGTW that states that the MC80a is intended to be the wingless Liberties.

 

On the subject of names, I never liked Reef Home-type since, not only is their nothing linking the Reef Home with this class, but EaW has linked it with the Liberty-type. Personally I prefer the designation MC80 Solidarity-type. The Solidarity is the first MC80a given over to the Rebel Fleet and it follows nicely with the tradition of naming the class of ship after the first ship produced (even if the Star Wars universe doesn't always seem to adhere to this tradition.)

[a.fake.name]

Not that old of a discussion.

Toss up some wookiepedia articles or something for comparison.

[Darth Paxis]

Sure thing.

 

http://starwars.wiki...0a_Star_Cruiser

 

If you scroll down to the bottom of this one, you can see the image of the "Wingless Liberty" from behind, as well as an explanation in the Behind the Scenes which states that that ship class was made into the MC80a in the EGTW.

 

http://starwars.wiki...Home_(starship)

 

While, as has been mentioned, the Reef Home was only made into a Liberty-type due to game mechanics, there simply isn't any evidence to suggest that it was a wingless type. The name was only adopted by fans as a class name because The Truce at Bakura Sourcebook never specified one way or the other whether it was a Liberty-type or not. Note that EGTW also points out the difference between the MC80 Liberty-type and the MC80a, identifying the latter as a "lean, combat-focused variant cruiser", corresponding with PR's identification of it as the Tector to the MC80's Imperial.

 

http://starwars.wiki...a_Star_Cruisers

 

Now, given the fact that we have a number of vessels that have categorically been identified as MC80a's at hand, it seems silly to rely on an outdated name for the ship class that was made before the Reef Home was identified as a Liberty-type or before the "Wingless Liberty" was finally tied to the MC80a.

 

http://starwars.wiki...a_Star_Cruiser)

 

While any of these names would be more suitable from a canon standpoint, I'd like to draw special attention to the Solidarity in particular. The Solidarity was gifted to the Alliance before the Mon Calamari "officially" joined up with the Rebellion, and was the first MC80a to ever be used by the Alliance Fleet. If memory serves, the MC80a was first deployed roughly around the Yavin period, give or take a couple of years, which makes the Solidarity a likely and possible candidate as the first ship of its class.

 

 

I really should stress that this is no big deal. I'm happy to keep using the MC80 Reef Home-type since that name has existed since, what, the nineties? Plus the name doesn't affect gameplay in any way, shape or form. That said, it would show a nice adherence to canon and willingness to adapt as canon changes. Plus, if you'll allow me a personal moment, it would make me a pretty happy fanboy since, as you can probably tell, I've been advocating referring to it as the MC80a Solidarity-type for quite a while now.

[a.fake.name]

Why should we change just because the new games like to make shit up rather than use and build the pre-existing stuff, however.

That said, I do think the MC cruisers could use a heavy overhaul, if only to give them a defensive battery.

[Darth Paxis]

With respect, the designation Reef Home-type is, as you say, an example of making s*** up. It's a completely fanon designation. Admittedly, so is my personal designation of Solidarity-type, but it comes with more thought and actual research than "The Reef Home isn't given a specified type. The Wingless Liberty doesn't have a name. Why not just bang the two together?"

 

As I said, it's not that big of a deal that doesn't change gameplay in any way, and I certainly won't be offended if Reef Home-type keeps being used. It was just being discussed in this thread so I figured that I may as well bring it up.

[Iforgot]

The ones I voted for were based on my preference for star wars fiction which runs from early roots of the rebellion times to the thrawn campaign, kinda loose interest earlier or later than that...

Clone wars ships- If hero ships come back it would be great to see "Rebel One" or if not at least a cruiser to stand in for it

The "mon remonda" and captured ships and bulk cruisers are all over the EU so I think that any of them would make good additions, plus bulk cruisers show up as cargo ships in games and stories too, whether they are intended to be well armed cargo ships like the Galleon or had just been repurposed  I'm not sure... 

Edited by Iforgot, 29 July 2014 - 07:55 PM.

[skie9173]

Low priority, long term idea; Kleeque-class transport

Make more sense for Rebel/NR troop transport or lander.

Also Bantha-class assault shuttle as late tech NR unit