ThatDeeBloke

First this is difficult for me to be writing, i already know half the flack that will be received in the first responses and have had this conversation before, requiring a great deal of time to speak to rebottles and quote sources to eventually end up without contestation to the facts. And i dont have the effort in me to debate this, i generally remove myself from forums due to the snippy and snarky way in which most of their users operate. Though after reading forums here and the casual conversation between users ive come to the conclusion this is at least a group that will discuss things cavalry without accusations of intelligence and short comings of the penis.



I do not see discussion leading to or debate about the existence of the MC-80 Liberty, and MC-80 Reef Home Classes of starship in these forums. That fact alone is one that gives me hope. So many sources on the internet bugger this up good. Assigning titles like pear shaped/wingless winged or big brother type silliness. The Reef Home class, was the first warship modified from the not so standardized MC-80 Passenger liners, and better than a dozen of these took part in the battle of Endor. Shortly before endor, the same MC-80 class star liners were turned war machine in the form smaller number by comparison to the Reef Home class in the form of Liberty Class cruisers. ( This is largely due to just not starting the winged variant builds till nearly the time of endor. In the Films we only see two shots. The Liberty herself eats death star laser. And the Maria flies alongside a Reef Home Class at the head of the point blank offensive against the Star Destroyers )We arrive with these names by simple Naval Tradition. That the first ship of a design to be christened became the class designation for all of that type. Though they are quoted by most every source as being nearly identical, some folks still bugger it up claiming different payloads and shield or armor, even fighter capacity. Sure-every Moncal Cruiser was a work of art made without a pre-set blue print. But they were all ( at the this point! ) of the MC-80 passenger liner conversions at the time Endor was fought. And of course the MC-80 passenger liners were still all remarkably similar. Or they would not carry the same alpha numeric designation in their design. The reality is the Reef home class on its own did not offer enough visual variety in the climactic battle scenes of Return of the Jedi, and the original model in which the MC-80 Reef Home class was created got a nose job. So they turned her on her back, removed an engine nozel added a smaller tail on the underside and plastered wings on. Then adding a new overall painting job and dubbing her the MC-80 Liberty Class, named after the first attempts operational call sign. Making it a no Duh observation that combat wise they are the same vessel, due to the actual origin of the model. All of this, the creators of this mod already know. You Sirs! Deserve cookies and cake. You made two diferent models! You didn't make one " better " than another. And you did not attach felonious A.B. Winged,Wingless, Advanced/maneuverable type nonsense on them.

Here is where i stop rambling and make my request of you. Can we have the MC-80a, and the MC-80b versions added? The Mc-80a Chatnoir class was created post Endor. And after that the MC-80b Mon Remonda. Conflicting sources of how they are armed, their proper scale, and the numbers of their employment exist. One of the major sources for this is the x wing series snafu of adding the MC-80a in a pre Yavin timeline and then gooning the top front, and rear bottom engine numbers and positions. But your clearly well versed enough to get past that due to the research and proper implementation you have done with the first two MC-80 Variants in your mod. Even if you find that balancing is a concern and can not give the Mon Remonda for instance its proper fire power. I do believe i speak for us all when i say more Capital ship classes of varied shape and texture in a battle is just cool for lack of a better word. The imperials have a wide selection, and they have superior battle cruisers not that im complaining. I would greatly enjoy taking in a wider variety of MonCal vessels in a republic fleet to combat them.

Here is where i believe i have buttered you up enough to point out a flaw without stirring a defensive response. Your MC-120 as you well know is the home one model, by size engine alignment and body contours. I state this as the Home One type, once again observing proper Naval tradition in naming the first ship of a class, the class designation for all others like it. There were in fact three of this Home One design and all three did in fact take part in endor. ( Not interested in debating that point in this thread please. Would be happy to compare notes and sources in another. I would prefer to keep this thread focused on the game addition itself. ) The Home One, The Independence, and the Defiance. Once again X wing series goons this up.. But only partially. Stating Admiral Ackbar was using the Independence as his flag ship at Endor. As far as the Film is concerned this is utterly incorrect. But expanded universe such as Truce at Bakura and other sources. Tell us that the assault on the Super Star Destroyer, Executer took a fair amount of itme and maneuvering. In which Home One. The MC-80 Liberty Class Cruiser, Maria and Home One Class Battle cruiser, Independence attacked co-ordianted and with impunity. Along with a quartet of MC-80 Reef Home class cruisers they beat the tar out of the Executer bring'ing down the shields briefly, allowing for the generators to be knocked out, allowing for Green Leader to suicide ram his A wing into the bridge thus allowing it to succumb to gravity before an alternate bridge can re-establish control fo the ship is capable to save it from diving into the Death Star II. ( All of this utter luck other than the combined assault to bring her shields down and then give an order to call for a right pounding by all ships which Ackbar did ) And before the task of now beating all of that armor and super structure apart occurs the lucky events unfold.


Here is where i state my case. I have never read of an MC-120 before. The Defiance named MC-90 and thus its referred class came about, and after that the strident and viscount star defenders. But the alpha numeric naming system was abandoned. None of these looked like your MC-120 or functioned like her. Im sure reason went behind the alpha numeric naming that to my knowledge never actually existed. But - Home One, was an MC-85 Home One Class, Battleship. Her sister ships being the MC-85 Defiance, and Independence Battle Cruisers. These are the physically largest MonCal Vessels constructed. And the only ones of their kind. Back to the battle- I mentioned xwing series being wrong, in their mop up level where you fight in endor and blow up destroyers and see the MC-85 Battle Cruiser Independence - and it is claimed to be Ackbars Command ship is only half wrong - is still half right. That coordinated gang up on Executer left Home One in bad shape and nearly Immobile yet operational. At the point of limping out clear of the Death Star II in to be clear of the blast radius. Ackbar in fact changes his flag to the more operational and at this point more battle ready sister ship- the MC-85 Home One class battle cruiser, Independence. And proceeds to mop up on the Star Destroyers who did not obey the Chimeras retreat Order by acting Captain Pelleon after the loss of Executer and Death Star II ( in fact one Grand admiral got his butt off the death star II before she blew, made it to his Star Destroyer and tried to organize a counter attack, but by this point Pelleons order had largely been headed to. He faught on for a solid two hours, was captured and executed. )

EvilJedi you are welcome to put a seal of approval on this post! As we both took part of a long forum discussion in 2004 of the events and participants of the battle of endor on the force.net forums. As well as our time with this games forerunner Star Wars Rebellion! in swrebellion.com To which this mod resembles the best parts of.

Ive been up all night and i will not be proofing this.. i apologize if some sentences come off to resemble klingon or some other lesser sci fi banter. I hope i have presented my case well and that These minor changes to the 120's naming are implemented. And with greater luck, you see fit to share with us the MC-80A/B varients even if they do not fill a balancing gap, aAnd just become another pretty dress on the MC-80 line. I am and have been an ardent fan of the MonCal designs, just seeing properly represented versions of the two classes we saw in the film is a rare occurrence in a game and even a mod. I am greatly pleased to be able to bring them into battle together as it allready stands.

DeLos ( That Dee Bloke ? )