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[Death_Kitty]

Hello y'all, its that time again, I'm gonna ask questions and put out some ideas for you all to tear to bits. About USA. lets go.

 

1.) Bulldog and Riot trooper flash bangs: they only do a 10% debuf, yet that is supposed to be strong due to how debuffs work now, according to CLA star... can anyone clarify? Seems rather... underwhelming... 

2.) Units synergy ideas:

      a.) Abrams + Warhawk = heavy tank (Nuwa) Killing. The way I figure 1-2 hawks and 6+ Abrams should be able to sneak attack an armored column and knock out 1-2 tanks and escape before the opponent can react: both units are fast, for tier 3 and anything they cant out run, that should be able to outfight (SC) The warhawks provide the damage buff and the abrams provide the damage (I'm hoping the fact that the A. uses both of its weapons against vehicles will make a big difference. Throw in a few rep. IFVs and backup aeroblazes for support ofc. 

      b.) Not strictly USA, but Cryocopter + Rocketeer = great lategame harassment? rocketeers can damage targets the cryos lower the resistance on. or however that works... whaddaya think? 

3.) Purpose of riot trooper: why? what is he meant to do? I mean, the usa already has, oh i dunno, every unit in their arsenal to counter infantry... what is different about him? why should I produce him?

4.) another general allied question, but why not? why the chronolift? I guess you could move a square of defences anywhere you want to, and move refs closer for mining, but is there a use I'm missing?

 5.) Theory: USA has the fastest base killing potential (foehn not included): if you get a tanya in someones base, knock of defense power, and escort with some abrams & 1 stryker + paradrop and micro her like a god, I cant think of anything that kills base faster... can you guys? also: can tanya kill a newk power plant without dying to radiation?

6.) Another general allied question: What are the pros and cons of the battleship and the aircraft carrier? bit redundant, no?

7.) going back to 2a. the Abrams is good at killing tanks now... right?

 

[CLAlstar]

1. Bulldog and Riot Trooper grenades are damaging projectiles beside their debuffing nature.

2b. Cryocopter + jets. Think what was happening in RA3 and think what will happen in MO. Enjoy your result of imagination.

3. USA was only faction who couldnt do well against massed infantry units. Additions like Riot Trooper and Athena changed that.

4. Expansions, moving defenses, even saving your crucial buildings from destruction.

6. Battleship - less range, less accurate, good for damaging multiple targets. AC - More range, more precise, perfect for naval-to-ground assaults.

7. Abrams was always good at dealing with tanks.

[Speeder]

Battleship is more of a naval engagement unit than a structure destroyer/siege now.

Riot Trooper can clear out garrisons.

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

So how does that work? Riot trooper gets in range of garrisoned building, riot trooper fires a flashbang grenade, and all infantry inside the building die?

 

Also, IRON GUARD SEEMS FUCKING AMAZING. Its only units that it makes invincible though, not structures?

[Damfoos]

Does the Cryocopter beam apply the armor debuff instantly, increasing the debuff value linearly each second, or it uses Gattling logic and has "stages" with fixed debuff coefficient? Say, 100% armor during first 5 (for example) seconds stage (warmup), then 90%, then 70% after 5 more seconds and so on. And does the time until full freezing depend on target's HP? And does the effect stack? So it would be faster to freeze a Sentry Gun than a ConYard. Anyway, looks like Cryocopters can reduce the amount of Baracudas required to kill a CY, while Aurora Black Widow will allow them to get to their target even under AA fire.

Edited by Damfoos, 10 August 2016 - 07:05 PM.

[Speeder]

They don't instantly die, they take damage inside that building.

 

The Cryocopter applies a debuff to armor first, then it grows stronger with the Gatling logic and the speed debuff kicks in until the unit is frozen in place completely.

The time does not depend on target's HP and right now the effect is not stackable.

[Damfoos]

Thanks for the answers. Sadly it doesn't depend on target's HP and thus can't be made stackable otherwise it'd be incredibly OP. Both things make sense since bigger objects take longer to freeze and the more freezing rays are cooling the target, the faster it should lose its thermal energy. But I guess technical limitations won't allow to correctly implement the first feature, and thus adding the second one will make groups of few Cryocopters kill T3 units and important buildings in seconds, which is imbalanced unless the cryo debuff of a single Cryocopter is nerfed to the ground.

Edited by Damfoos, 10 August 2016 - 07:24 PM.

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

Hey, I was reading the unit description of the Demo Truck. It mentioned M.A.D. tanks, saying that the Soviets took the warheads from the M.A.D. tanks from the last war and put them into the cheaper demo trucks for this war.

 

M.A.D. tanks weren't nuclear, they were seismic, there wasn't even a warhead. The hammer defense tower in MO uses same tech as MAD tank, no?

 

Hell, I always thought of the MAD tank using iron curtain tech. The tank would use that mysterious red energy Iron Curtain uses to destroy tanks/buildings instead of protect them. The Iron Curtain (in RA2) can kill infantry, wheres the MAD tank cannot. You know... reversal?

 

I can see the Hammer defense tower as the same. Its reversed iron curtain energy. Ahh, but it can hurt soldiers though... but same principle. Mysterious red/black energy to destroy things instead of making them invulnerable.

 

The Chrono Tank is the unit form of the Chronosphere, where as the MAD tank is the unit form of the Iron Curtain. COOL AS FUCK IDEA, AMIRITE?