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[Drezalnor]

I have thought hard and a lot-and it seems that there is still fresh scope for new stuff to make it's way into Mental Omega.Here,in this thread,we'll discuss exactly that-whether it be new units,or support powers or buildings.Then,if it seems worthy enough,we'll take the discussions to the next level.

[isaac103]

How about making some old RA1 units and implementing them into the mod at some point later on down the road? Archtype has really good of what RA1 buildings should look like. 

[Drezalnor]

How about making some old RA1 units and implementing them into the mod at some point later on down the road? Archtype has really good of what RA1 buildings should look like.

Hmm....doesn't sound bad,at least in theory.But if you have any fresh ideas regarding stuff,you can put them up.

[isaac103]

Has anyone here thought about putting up some World War 1 stuff since it happened before Einstein messed with the timeline?

[Drezalnor]

Has anyone here thought about putting up some World War 1 stuff since it happened before Einstein messed with the timeline?

Damn,that would be way too archaic.It simply wouldn't fit in.

[Initiate]

clearly the thing this mod is missing are some ultra hard ant missions 

 

also op, why,do,you,hate,using,the.spacebar? 

[isaac103]

 

Has anyone here thought about putting up some World War 1 stuff since it happened before Einstein messed with the timeline?

Damn,that would be way too archaic.It simply wouldn't fit in.

 

lol we can have missions in places like Verdun and have old tank wreckages appear every now and then. 

[Drezalnor]

Has anyone here thought about putting up some World War 1 stuff since it happened before Einstein messed with the timeline?

Damn,that would be way too archaic.It simply wouldn't fit in.

lol we can have missions in places like Verdun and have old tank wreckages appear every now and then.

Umm...Idk.You might have a point.

[Drezalnor]

Here's an idea for a new HQ siege unit.(Forgive me if the spoiler seems large,it's actually a post in itself).

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I can understand the sentiment of taking psychics to the extreme for PsiCorp's unit design. Something like this:

Psychic Archers - Uses mind to lob AROs
Decimator Infantry - Brute replacement that uses a miniature psychic decimator like the resheph.

RA2 psionics were themed on mostly mind control, and when used for destruction, it's often raw and not handled by a single person (same goes for MO, Reshephs as a good example). Currently, only telekinesis from Libra, pyrokinesis by Initiates and probably aerokinesis by Zorbtrotters/Zorbfloaters are examples of individual psychic powers, but they all need some special equipment to become menacing in a war, something only Yuri or his (former) associates can replicate.

If there are other psychics that can use, say, cryokinesis, it could be, it deviates from that theme that made RA2's Yuri iconic and even farther than MO has already established. On an in-universe scale, Yuri had trouble with Libra when she went berserk twice, so any more psychics that aren't mind control would be troublesome and could even rival Yuri.

Unfortunately PF has the cytokinesis theme locked down. But it would have been rad to see HQ-specific Initiates that used cryokinesis instead of pyrokinesis.

I had an idea very similar to what you call the Decimator Infantry, although I imagined it as a tier 3 artillery unit.

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I posted this idea once like 2 years ago, but it's kinda forgotten so...
I thought of a new kind of siege infantry for the Epsilon, I guess that it would PsiCorps the best (CLAIstar is probably facepalming now). I swear it's coincidence, I wasn't a PsiCorpsboo when I first had this idea. Anyway. Let's call it the Epsilon Juggernaut. Appearence wise, a big, bald guy, maybe with a breathing apparatus (think of Bane), some medium flak armor and robes covering his body, with a psychich amplifying device attached to his spine, similar to those that can be found on the backs of Initiates, although larger and more prominent. The Epsilon Juggernaut would attack by hurling massive blobs of destructive psychic energy over large distances, ie: miniature Raseph ball-lightnings. They could be shot down, easier than those fired by the Raseph, but the Juggernaut himself would be cheaper, and land-dwelling (or alternatively, levitating, just to fit better in the PsiCorps arsenal). He should be somewhat slow, expensive, but surprisingly durable, although not as much as the Stalker. A secondary, "psychic lightning" attack with (very) short range is optional, to fend off attackers that are within the minimum range of his primary attack. Now, because the Juggernaut's primary attack would look a bit like the "spirit bomb" in DBZ, I think it would be adequate if he had the attack voice line "GIVE ME ENERGY!", amongst other obligatory memes. The unit's character should be overly violent and eager for destruction. Bellow is the description I came up with:

No talent is wasted in the PsiCorps. Those Initiates who show exceptional psychic might but lack the mental stability to use mind control and thus become Epsilon Adepts are trained as Juggernauts instead. After years of training and augmentation, these rare individuals become walking engines of destruction, able to amass large blobs of unstable psychic energy and hurl it at the enemy, not unlike Epsilon's infamous Raseph submarines. Although the projectiles can be dissipated by concentrated anti-aircraft fire, continously fending off the attacks of multiple Juggernauts is next to impossible. When threatened at close range, the Juggernaut won't bother with collecting his energy into a ball-like form, but instead he will outright unleash it at the unfortunate offenders, in a lightning-like attack that can evaporate weaker foes in an instant. Despite his enormous power, the Juggernaut is still easily overwhelmed, so it's the best to keep him in the company of other units who can support and protect him.

Also another one for a flying infantry.

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I have this idea for an Epsilon infantry, because we can never have enough Epsilon infantry.

Call it the Seraphim (plural: Seraphin). It would be a tier 2 or 3 flying infantry for the Epsilon. Or a new hero. While Rocketeers use jetpacks, and Gyrocopters use rotors, Seraphin would be kept in air by sheer awesomeness their masterful psychic control over heat, manifesting itself as six wings made of flame. I suggest them to be female, because that opens up the opportunity for a sick voiceover. Not quite as squeaky as Libra, but somewhat psychotic, and obviously pyromaniac nevertheless. Think of something like the Virus' voice but with a lot more enthusiasm and love for fire. Also, maybe some implications of that these lads do believe themselves to be actual Seraphin. Their weapon would be, you guessed it, pyromancy. For that, I have three ideas: they could throw fireballs, but I think that's boring. The second idea is that they could do strafing runs by swooping down on their target, leaving a blazing trail on the ground. The third idea is that they would do AoE by summoning a flaming whirlwind that starts out weak, but would get stronger over time, or if more Serpahin would attack the same thing. As for the whirlwind, a mechanic that traps things in its middle by applying a temporary speed debuff to them is an option.

In conclusion: the Seraphim would be a tier 2 or 3 flying unit, with falme as their weapon of choice. This would mean that they would be anti-infantry and anti-structure primarly. I think it would be optimal if they had the speed of Rocketeers, but firepower significantly greater than theirs, compensated by inability to engage airborne targets, and higher production cost, and perhaps less durability too. The high cost, speed, sufficient FIREpower, and relative fragility would make them ideal harrassers, but no good for prolonged confrontation with enemies that can shoot back at them.

Now that's great.They really are great ideas.

I have been thinking about this idea-it's for a siege vehicle-but it's meant for HQ.

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The problem with Epsilon HQ is their lack of a suitable siege unit other than the Stalker.I came up with the idea of a vehicle with two firing modes-let's call it the Satyr.Primary-An MLRS shooting plasma projectiles.Secondary-MLRS disabled for a plasma cannon with longer range and greater firepower,but lower rate of fire and inability to move while using it.The range for the MLRS mode could be 12.5;for the cannon mode it can be 15.5.Minimum range:MLRS-4.5;Cannon-6.Speed-it could be a bit more sluggish than the Magnetron(4.5-4.75 maybe?).HP-about 550 atleast.Armor-Medium.Voice-lines:-"What is it now?","As you say...Proselyte.","Don't try to rush me!","THEY WILL DIE!","DEFIANT FOOL!","FOR EPSILON!".The basic idea is that their drivers will be ill-tempered(think of the GLA Quad Cannons in Generals),but fanatical as well.In terms of apperance,well,think of an oversized Colossus chassis,though longer and less taller.

Here is the description:-
Epsilon Headquarters Satyr
Though Stalkers excelled in assaulting bases from afar,it became increasingly evident that they would not be enough to engage the new outposts built by the forces of the Last Bastion.Epsilon engineers searched feverishly for a solution-and found it in a long-abandoned blueprint,which they redrew and redesigned to create an advanced,next-generation siege vehicle - the Satyr.

The ingenuity of Headquarters was well-exhibited in it's design.Armed with a deadly plasma MLRS,it can rain havoc upon enemies from afar.On deployment,the MLRS is depowered to make way for a powerful plasma cannon,which can lob deadly orbs of plasma on structures,dealing heavy damage to them,albeit at a reduced rate.Due to it's heavy weaponry and the Plasma Generator housed within,in addition to it's moderately strong armor,the Satyr suffers from a lack of agility and must be escorted at all times and especially guarded against aerial threats.

[Drezalnor]

This one is for a Gehenna Platform replacement.

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Divine,I racked my brains for a suitable alternative for the Gehenna Platform-and this is what came up.

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To be honest,the Gehenna isn't exactly horrendous,though it does have some annoying issues.To mitigate them as much as possible,let's take a vehicle and call it the Nephilim Hive.Primary-Can release two suicide drones at an enemy aircraft,which will pursue it with great aggression.Secondary-Drones gain range and damage bonus,at the cost of the Hive becoming immobile.The undeployed range can be 19.5;in deployed mode,20.5.Speed-well,let it be 5(faster than the Gehenna).HP-475 minimum.Armor-Medium.Voice-lines-"What do you wish?","Moving to optimal location.","Hive on the way!","Target sighted!","Releasing drones,Proselyte!","That will be good game!".Their drivers are calm,businesslike and deceptively well-mannered.As for appearance-it is highly similar to the old Gehenna chassis,only the rear is longer.

Drone-Let's call it the Dybbuk Harasser.It would have a small plasma bomb within and on detecting an enemy aircraft,it would fly towards it relentlessly and ram into it with great speed,dealing heavy damage.Speed-let it be 36.HP-could be 200.Armor-Light Aircraft.

Here's the description:-
PsiCorps Nephilim Hive
The fearsome Gehenna Platforms of PsiCorps were once more than enough to strike fear in the hearts of their enemies' pilots.But as the war with the Foehn Revolt wore on,the Wings of Coronia made several improvements to their aerial armada that not only made it difficult for the Gehennas to deny the skies,but also put them in the path of death.A new response to the Coronian fleets was needed-one which came,most ironically from the Cloud Piercers of the Haihead.

Having secured the schematics of the Diverbee drones,Epsilon engineers came up with a well-appropriated idea - the development of a suicide drone of their own,the Dybbuk Harasser.These small wonders of destruction were then packed into two compartments in the back of a modified Gehenna chassis,resulting in the birth of a cutting-edge anti-air vehicle-the Nephilim Hive.

Though PsiCorps personnel were initially sceptical about it,on seeing it perform in the field,they were elated.Carrying several Harasser drones in it's hull,it is a veritable threat to any aircraft in the sky.Released two at a time,the drones pursue their targets doggedly and blast them to pieces on contact.On deployment,additional sensors are activated to support the powerful tracking systems of these vehicles,which help the drones to travel further and hit the weak spots in an aircraft hull,dealing more damage.A powerful engine allows for tolerable speed.Despite these advantages,the Nephilim Hive is prone to ground forces and thus should be escorted to it's locations.

Tbh,the Nephilim Hive partly resembles the Drone Carrier Hoverdyne of the Order of the New Dawn in Ground Control.

Considering that the description makes it sound like a stolen tech unit....Well,there is a possibility to think about.

[Drezalnor]

This one has the details for a Magnetron alternative.

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I thought about a potential replacement for the Magnetron-and here it is.

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The Magnetron,tbh is rather broken.An overtly powerful unit immobilizer is a bit too much.So let's have a look at a new unit-we'll call it the Lacenna Platform.It can be armed with a Psionic Beam Emitter that can demolish structures with little effort.As for crowd control-let's give it a Psionic Disruptor that can create fields of psionic energy(AoE),which will reduce the movement of any unit caught in it by 45% for 12.5 seconds(Firing rate should be a bit reduced,considering that huge debuff).It won't be amphibious.Range:Psionic Beam Emitter-14.5;Psionic Disruptor-11.5.Speed-4.75(bit slower than the Magnetron).HP-495 minimum.Armor-Medium.Voice-lines-"It is a good day to dominate.","Beam Platform on the move.","We'll be there...hehehe.","Energizing beam!","They will be disoriented!","Feel the wrath of PsiCorps!".These drivers are quite sinister and somewhat psychopathic,but relatively sane compared to Libra.Appearance-Very similar to the old Magnetron,with the Magnetic Coils replaced by a Psionic Beam Emitter and a Psionic Disruptor and the hull being longer.

This is the description.
PsiCorps Lacenna Platform
The Magnetrons were once a status symbol and a symbol of pride for the PsiCorps.They were capable of tearing apart structures and locking vehicles and infantry in place for the others to finish off.But as the war progressed,the Foehn Revolt developed several non-magnetic nanomaterials to use in their weapons,armor,equipment and buildings and practically put a ban of sorts on magnetic materials.This reduced the Magnetrons to nothing more than hovering heaps of trash metal and severely affected the Epsilon Army's possibilities of winning the war,forced to depend as they were on Satyrs and Basilisks only for sieging their enemies.A solution was needed-and it came from a prototype technology which a few PsiCorps researchers happened to be working on that time.

The researchers hastened to finish work on what they called a "Psionic Beam Emitter".A simple technology in principle,it comprised a Psi-Core full of psionic energy,connected to a sophisticated collector system,which could concentrate the energy in the form of a dangerously powerful beam that could deteriorate and destroy structures.They had also finished work on a Psionic Disruptor that could create upsurges of psionic energy at desired locations,which could slow down enemies if they happened to be affected by it.On installing these two marvels in a modified Magnetron hull with all the magnetic coils removed,a new siege vehicle was born - the Lacenna Platform.

The apprehension and subsequent jubilation of the PsiCorps could be imagined when these monsters passed their first day in the field with flying colors.Equipped with a deadly Psionic Beam Emitter,it can rupture buildings and their foundations without the need to strain itself.If any enemies attempt to approach it,the Lacenna can create small Psionic Storms with it's onboard Psionic Disruptor that can considerably slow down any foe unlucky enough to be caught by it for a few moments-giving friendly forces the time needed to beat them down.In spite of these advantages,the Lacennas are a little slow in their movements and need protection against hostile aircraft.

PS-Just in case you guys have trouble visualizing it,here are a couple of references:-
1.Beam Emitter-Beam Platform Hoverdyne of the Order of the New Dawn in Ground Control.
2.Disruptor-Psionic Storm used by Protoss High Templar in Starcraft 2.

Edited by Drezalnor, 28 December 2018 - 08:24 AM.

[Drezalnor]

This one concerns a new stealth detector for the Foehn Revolt.

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Foehn players have a common complaint-the lack of a proper stealth detector other than the SODAR Array.So let's take a vehicle and call it the Bloodhound.Equipment-BEEP Detector Array(Biothermal,Electromagnetic,Electrothermal,Psychic Detector Array).It can detect cloaked infantry,vehicles and subs without the necessity to deploy(Though deploying gives a longer detection range).Detection Range:Undeployed-12;Deployed-15.HP-675.Speed-6.5.Production Cost-$1200.Sample Voicefile-"Anything in hiding?","All right,moving out.","That's interesting.".The ladies driving these vehicles are cheerful and sharp,though not so much as the Engineer.Appearance-Much like the old SODAR Array,only somewhat longer and the antenna removed.

Here is the description.
Foehn Bloodhound
The SODAR Arrays of the Foehn Revolt had always done them a great service by helping them to see past the psychic trickery and stealth technology of their foes.However,the fact that they were immobile when active severely affected their utility on the battlefield.The Foehn Commanders decided that the SODARs would have to be phased out and replaced with something new.Foehn Engineers desperately searched for a solution-and found it in a prototype being worked upon at that time.

Some Foehn scientists were working on advanced biothermal heat sensors and electromagnetic radiation detectors.A parallel project focused on electrothermal sensors,while yet another project was venturing into anti-psychic sensors.When the scientists discussed together at a break in work,they realised the potential of their research.Taking a SODAR Array,it's old sensors were replaced with the new ones.After much hard work and tinkering,a state-of-the-art stealth detection vehicle was born-the Bloodhound.

On seeing them perform on the battlefield,Foehn forces were jubilant.Equipped with cutting-edge BEEP Detection Arrays,they can detect anything cloaked on the move.On deploying,additional sensors come online,extending the detection range of the vehicle,but rendering it immobile.The Bloodhound is more fragile and expensive than the SODAR Array,and thus a Foehn Commander is highly careful when deploying them in battle.

Edited by Drezalnor, 19 January 2019 - 03:15 AM.

[Divine]

Stealth is one of the very few advantages Epsilon has over Foehn... let's not take it away completely. Besides that, 2 dedicated stealth detectors, this and the SODAR would be redundant. If there is really such a horrendous need for stealth detection, I'd just slap some sensors on the Huntress.

[Drezalnor]

Stealth is one of the very few advantages Epsilon has over Foehn... let's not take it away completely. Besides that, 2 dedicated stealth detectors, this and the SODAR would be redundant. If there is really such a horrendous need for stealth detection, I'd just slap some sensors on the Huntress.

Well,I did write in the description that it could be a companion stealth detector-that's not really necessary.However,I'm not depriving Epsilon of it's stealth.I know it is one of it's main pros against Foehn,just as stealth helps Nod against GDI.

I do object to making Huntresses stealth detectors.That would push them to T3 and break the little balance present in an already OP faction.

[Codename_Ramiel]

Looking at list of what to add, I'd say the Russian faction don't have a unique infantry unit like the Chinese or Latin Confederation. How about a something like an improved/better version of a Conscript? Something like this:

 

Red Guard

$80

Has increased range and damage compared to the Conscript with it's AKM rifle. It's HP is slightly better but not much.

 

Also, I guess this has been thrown around a lot by some community members but I find the Russians not having a heavy T3 tank compared to the Chinese a little out of place? I would suggest giving them the Apocalypse tank back, not the 3.0 version but 2.0 as while it was powerful it could still be overwhelmed easily. Plus the 2.0 version fitted the aesthetic of the real life IS-2 heavy tank from world war 2 with a mammoth tank makeover. If there needs to be a limitation to it for balancing reasons how about requiring the War Factory, Palace and Industrial Plant?

 

The one in 3.0 could still be the secret stolen tech one but labelled as a Prototype? 

 

I'm gonna look for other things to suggest but as always these kinds of things can be shot down by the MO team due to balancing, time constraints or development time required for them. Either way I'm loving the game and appreciate mods like this that keep C&C alive!

[Divine]

As much as I'd love to see subfactions becoming near-100% customized, it's been discussed before that subfaction-specific tier 1 infantry will never be a thing. If we REALLY need a unique infantry for Russia, I'd vouch for an upgraded, RA3esque Tesla Trooper.

[Handepsilon]

Russian is the one faction that needs no buff. Hasn't anyone realized just how easy it already is to play as Russia?

[Codename_Ramiel]

Well from what I wrote I guess I'm suggesting a buff to Russia but I was going in the direction of just adding a new unit.

 

The RA3 style Tesla Trooper would be cool but what about a Spetsnaz unit? I think in 1.2 it had them but they were pretty much a Seal clone? If for uniqueness it has an assault rifle/grenade launcher similar to the Chinese cyborgs but not as powerful, they can swim and for attacking buildings they call in airstrikes like Boris/Morelez but like they were in OG YR game and not one hit kills and needs to be closer unlike Morelez. Could play around in the lore that Morelez was trained by Spetsnaz that's why their similar somewhat.

 

Also in matches/skirmish is it possible to have an option for basic superweapons only like Iron Curtain or Chronosphere? If it's not a pain to code?

[Handepsilon]

...nah, airstrikes for a regular infantry sounds like either a hassle or OP, and they sounded like they have roles that other infantries cover already. Moreover, you made them sounded like a clone of Morales/Cyborg Vanguard

And yes, Russia doesn't need buff, let alone a new unit

Edited by Handepsilon, 04 March 2019 - 12:19 AM.

[Drezalnor]

Here is an idea for a new stolen tech unit for Foehn,obtained from Epsilon.

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So after some thinking,I came up with this little idea for a potential stolen tech unit for Foehn. Stolen Tech.doc