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[Silent_Killa]

actually, Hitler's father beating him wasn't anything out of the ordinary at the time... still isn't that out of the ordinary when you look on a global scale...

and Hitler was actually despised by his fellow troops because he seemed to enjoy the war... that's also where he became an extreme nationalist (funny since we wasn't even German)

hmmmmm... Hitler or Stalin...

[ComradeJ]

I agree that they were fucked up, but they did provide stability to Germany until 1939. They reorganized a wounded nation.

That's not true at all, already at the beginning of 1937 it was noticable for everybody half-educated in economics, that Hitler's policy would have ruined Germany in 3 years.
They spend 62% of the budget for military equipement in 1939, for example.
He planned the war from the beginning, all the actions he took served the two goals he wanted to accomplish:
Get territory for the Arian "race" (which doesn't exist btw) and extinguish the Jews.

That also implies, that national socialism has nothing to do with socialism nor communism, it's one part imperialistic and one part pure madness.

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Yeah, their economy would have been dead again in a few years. They needed the war to keep the economy going, but they lost it.

[duke_Qa]

Yeah, their economy would have been dead again in a few years. They needed the war to keep the economy going, but they lost it.

not that im trying to say that USA is directly fascistic, but alot of your economy is based on selling military hardware, and there is nothing like a good old fashioned war to make the weapon producers some dough. i bet that lobbying from the US military had quite alot to say on the iraqi situation.

its a bit ironic that there are people out there who make money on other peoples death and suffering, and when someone attacks with their weapons, we often see their weapons counter-attacking aswell. :S

[Silent_Killa]

Yeah, their economy would have been dead again in a few years. They needed the war to keep the economy going, but they lost it.

what war did we lose, we didn't lose any war... and how the hell is the war supposed to improve the economy... lets see, we spend billions to destroy Saddams regime, and then billions to rebuild everything else

[Mastermind]

Yeah, their economy would have been dead again in a few years. They needed the war to keep the economy going, but they lost it.

what war did we lose, we didn't lose any war... and how the hell is the war supposed to improve the economy... lets see, we spend billions to destroy Saddams regime, and then billions to rebuild everything else

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I believe they were referring to Germany, not the US.

[Allied General]

also in a political and military stragety you didn't do too well in Korea and Vietnam but yes it is ironic to be killed or tortured by your own countries weapons.

Edited by Allied General, 15 April 2005 - 11:22 AM.

[spider-man_2099]

Yeah, their economy would have been dead again in a few years. They needed the war to keep the economy going, but they lost it.

what war did we lose, we didn't lose any war... and how the hell is the war supposed to improve the economy... lets see, we spend billions to destroy Saddams regime, and then billions to rebuild everything else

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Then take trillions worth of oil..

[Andre27]

The Iraqi oil is on the open market and does not flow directly to the US.

Spidy, open your eyes for once instead of repeating Anti-US propaganda.

[Mastermind]

also in a political and military stragety you didn't do too well in Korea and Vietnam but yes it is ironic to be killed or tortured by your own countries weapons.

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Other countries sell far more weapons that the US, and face their own weapons far more often. France sold a large amount of weapons to Iraq, and in Desert Storm they were often facing their own equipment. Also, Vietnam was a complete tactical success. We never lost a single individual engagement. Politically, yes it was a failure, but tactically it was not.

[Silent_Killa]

I believe they were referring to Germany, not the US.

er, oops, my bad... ADD kickin' in I guess

heh, why do you think France and Russia protested the war so strongly? Because they believe in peace and love and everybody should get along? Hell no, Iraq owed them money

[Tom]

heh, why do you think France and Russia protested the war so strongly?  Because they believe in peace and love and everybody should get along?  Hell no, Iraq owed them money

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What a sad world it is we live in still i don't think that was good enough for encouraging defacing french products. Freedom Fries anyone?

[Blodo]

what war did we lose, we didn't lose any war... and how the hell is the war supposed to improve the economy... lets see, we spend billions to destroy Saddams regime, and then billions to rebuild everything else

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How about Vietnam? Oh yes i forgot you still count that as a win even tho your army was beat to a pulp by what? A bunch of guerillas?

And before you post the obvious - yes i know the Soviet Union was dropping in equipment and yes i know Vietcong were fighting on their own soil - thats the point of guerilla warfare.

[Comrade Kal]

They were still at a colossal technological and economical disadvantage.

[Mastermind]

what war did we lose, we didn't lose any war... and how the hell is the war supposed to improve the economy... lets see, we spend billions to destroy Saddams regime, and then billions to rebuild everything else

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How about Vietnam? Oh yes i forgot you still count that as a win even tho your army was beat to a pulp by what? A bunch of guerillas?

And before you post the obvious - yes i know the Soviet Union was dropping in equipment and yes i know Vietcong were fighting on their own soil - thats the point of guerilla warfare.

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5 points to the first person to actually read one of my posts about Vietnam.

[Blodo]

And what does that prove?

[Silent_Killa]

And he still doesn't read them... can somebody make a sticky about this or something?

to put it simply, America won every major engagement, we would have won the war, but were forced to pull out because of the politicians

[Comrade Kal]

You won every major engagement because they were better guerilla fighters, and when it came to brute force vs brute force they were obviously going to lose. You failed to do what you went in to do and ultimately, you retreated at a tremendous cost and they didn't.

Edited by Lord Kal, 19 April 2005 - 03:50 PM.

[Aircraftkiller]

No, we won every engagement because we fucking owned them, that's why. We only lost 58,000 men over the course of what... 10 years or so? I don't remember the exact date, but Jesus dude - 58,000 over a 10 year span is less deaths than England suffered against France during their many wars over the same time span. 58,000? We probably inflicted about four times that many in casulties from both ground pounders and the Air Farce bombing the hell out of their defensive positions.

The ONLY reason, and I stress this point, we lost is because we had to pull out. War protesters, idiotic ones as usual, were close to making the nation into a set of National Guard protection zones from all the "peaceful" protesting they were doing. The message hit home and we left.

Simple as that. We've never lost a war, especially since Vietnam wasn't a war to begin with.

[Blodo]

Simple as that. We've never lost a war, especially since Vietnam wasn't a war to begin with.

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So explain what was Vietnam then?

to put it simply, America won every major engagement, we would have won the war, but were forced to pull out because of the politicians

So yeah i guess you would rather see a a-bomb dropped on Vietnam, then go world war 3 with China and Russia. And it wasnt just that. Your people at home werent helping either. If you or MM would've been a senator in that period, would you vote to continue the war? Mounting pressures with the Soviet Union and China? So dont blame just the politicians.

Oh and btw you lost that war because the enemy was prepared then. Unlike Iraq. And because somehow after WW2 America lost all of their brilliant generals, and those left didnt even much consider that the enemy will be fighting with equipment outdated like hell.

[Silent_Killa]

You won every major engagement because they were better guerilla fighters, and when it came to brute force vs brute force they were obviously going to lose. You failed to do what you went in to do and ultimately, you retreated at a tremendous cost and they didn't.

course, they had home field advantage, they walked around outside during the day, and then came and shot you at night... difficult to defend against, but we still were winning

So explain what was Vietnam then?

I believe that he was pointing out the technicality that Vietnam was a military police action, not a war... maybe if you read up on the facts before you post...

So yeah i guess you would rather see a a-bomb dropped on Vietnam, then go world war 3 with China and Russia. And it wasnt just that. Your people at home werent helping either. If you or MM would've been a senator in that period, would you vote to continue the war? Mounting pressures with the Soviet Union and China? So dont blame just the politicians.

eh? I said to put it simply, I meant for you to go find one of MM's posts (there's a whole helluva lot of 'em) that explain what I said fully. The people at home... did you know that more people believed that we should finish what we started in Vietnam at the time that we withdrew? Of course mounting pressures from the USSR played into it, that's politics, and politicians deal with politics.

Would I rather see an a-bomb tropped in Vietnam that see WW III? Hell yes, is that really supposed to support your position? Think about it, WW III = a shitload of missiles 100x bigger than the Atomic bomb

Oh and btw you lost that war because the enemy was prepared then. Unlike Iraq. And because somehow after WW2 America lost all of their brilliant generals, and those left didnt even much consider that the enemy will be fighting with equipment outdated like hell.

You don't think Iraq was prepared? Come on man, they knew it was coming as much as we knew... it was only a matter of time