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[7th_Panzer]

Indeed it would. However, the advantages are obvious.

The alternative to create a superhuman manueverable plane would be to simply remove the human, and include the UCAV.

[crave22]

Yeah, but tests with the UCAVs that have been built show it is no match against human pilots at this point. It's too hard to program tactics into it for dogfights. However, it is performing extremely well as a bomber. It hits it's targets almost all the time. But, if an enemy plane sees it... boom.

Edited by crave22, 04 September 2005 - 02:41 PM.

[Ace22]

Unless it was remote-controlled, but still then, the pilot woudn't have the best view of his surroundings.

[7th_Panzer]

Then have an LCL raptor and use UCAV as bait.

[Karlos Vandango]

Then have an LCL raptor and use UCAV as bait.

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isnt there movie bout this

[Ace22]

Either Stealth, or something else.

[link.the.first]

no it wasnt stealth they didnt use the LCL in any of their planes.

That sounds like a good idea. The other possibility for an R/C plane is if the pilot sits in a replica of the cockpit and the entire canopy is a screen that extends all the way around the pilot's head. Alternately, nonessential parts(walls, maybe the floor) can be removed from the cockpit and add screen space. Normally a pilot can only see out the top canopy because they don't want too many weak areas, but this way they can actually have a better viewpoint. To get it, use wide-angle cameras facing all directions on the plane where the cockpit should be and program the comp to resize the image to fit on the bubble screen.

[Ace22]

I'm not sure about that. it would take the Glory out of flying.

[link.the.first]

It wouldn't be used exclusively because of limited transmitter range, bad weather, the enourmous amount of data you need to send, hacking signals, etc. but it would be very effective for homeland defense because the pilots don't have to be trained for G-forces and a life support system isn't necessary in the fighter.

[Karlos Vandango]

gotta agree

the human can be replaced with AI
Not in anything

1 day there will be a war bewteen mechines and humans
if they make mechines think for them selves

they will unleash our nukclear arsenal and kill us all

plus a human has a varible skill leval if humans went up to ai planes then
they would memeroise there attck patternes and find a weakness

[Bob]

This probably has been discussed before, but here's my version of an AI Fighter.

AI Raptor

It would be an interesting addition to the game. Make a pilotless AI upgrade for the Raptor.


Benefits:

- Deadly accuracy (unless damaged 50% or more).

- An armor bonus, to simulate the effects of advanced avoidance tactics, such as flying dangerously low, zig zagging, or other evasive actions. While I realize that evasive actions can't be done visually in Zero Hour, the armor bonus would effectively simulate the effect of evasive actions, by allowing the aircraft to survive longer.

- Elate rank (or greater) upon the upgrades activation.

- Increased weapons payload. Due to no pilot, or life support systems aboard.


Cons:

- Any type of GPS scrambling that it flys through causes fail-safe programming to kick in, forcing an instant return to base condition.

- 50% to 75% damage causes the AIs accuracy to take a dramatic nose dive due to electrical and sensor damage. Also, it may pick an hit a nearby target within its range instead.

- Self preservation circuitry. 75% damage or more causes the AI to automatically abort the mission and return to base. The government really wouldn't want to lose its 100 billion dollar plus AI plane if it didn't have to, so I would assume that it would want to add this little feature.

- Price: $50,000 to $100,000 for the upgrade, and a heck of a lot of time to install the upgrade.

- Raptor takes longer to repair.

[7th_Panzer]

Good idea, Bob.

I'd say decrease the size of the plane, to compensate for lack of life support equipment.

[Karlos Vandango]

yea make more faster then

but the gps scramble should make it turn rouge and tun to there side

[link.the.first]

nah the USA wouldnt allow their planes to fall into enemy hands. GPS could make it fly directly to teh enemy base and self-destruct.

BTW the USA considers pretty much anything with no human at the core to be expendable.

[7th_Panzer]

Precisely why the UCAVs would be used as bait.

[ALPHA_AURORA]

i dont think the raptor should only be an air to air plane. battles are always fought on the ground so the raptor should have air to ground capabilities as well as air to air. but i do agree usa should have nukes but not an emp effect it should have radiation. if there is going to be a tactical nuke i think a different plane should have it, not the raptor, maybe the FB-22 could have .it

[ALPHA_AURORA]

You could have the option to swap a few JDAMs in the FB-22(condor?) for some regular missiles.  Also, both planes would ALWAYS have a pair of slammers in the two side compartments.  For the Condor, another option could be to swap the JDAMs for a pair of MOABs or even a single tactical nuke.  (If the USA has nukes in this game, which they should, being the only country to deploy one and having a lot of them, give them a little more initial damage than Chinese nukes and no radiation.  Also, EMP.)  If the Raptor has only air-air capability, and the Condor only has JDAMs, there should be one more plane to take out individual tanks.  JSF? Harrier? Hornet? An upgrade can add a pair of slammers to all of them.

Also, if the F-22 is aurora speed, the FB-22 should be too.

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i agree i think that the usa should have nukes the FB-22 could have it but it shouldn't have an EMP effect it should still have radiation the tactical nuke should have at least more power than the MOAB and the blast radius of the nuclear missle.


one more thing the FB-22's nickname is the Blackwidow II just to let u know

[wolfshadow]

Alpha: Black Widow II is the YF-23. F-22 is the Raptor.
Original Black Widow fighter was the P-61, an awsome twin engine WW II Night Fighter.
http://www.fas.org/m...sys/ac/f-23.htm

And I still think that the F-23 is a WAAAY better looking airplane than the Raptor.

My $0.02

Edited by wolfshadow, 09 September 2005 - 05:04 PM.

[7th_Panzer]

The F-23 is arguably superior to the F-22 as well, or so I've read.