First of all, that's completly rude and not tolerated in this forum.
Plus, what he meant about there being more than 5 is I believe he meant more than 5 Maiar which is true, seeing as how Sauron, the Balrog, etc. were all Maiar.
But the book specificaly states there are only 5 Istari.
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Posted 19 March 2006 - 03:12 AM
But the book specificaly states there are only 5 Istari.
There was one reference (can't remember where; don't care enough either) that there "may" have been other wizards, but they landed in places other than the Grey Havens.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 01:11 PM
No Jsmooth that is not what I was thinking. I do know some stuff about Tolkien. I was talking about what Celeglin referenced to above me. I know that Istari were essentialy Maiar in the West but were called Istari in Middle-Earth, because they were ''wizards''. Istar means wizard.
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Posted 25 March 2006 - 01:37 AM
He's right. I just looked it up in the books: in the elven tongue when you add i at the end of a word it makes it plural, though i don't think this occurs with every word. I think Tolkien intended to create the elven language out of what he thought sounded elegant and cool to him.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 01:02 AM
I already knew this. Though, technically Istar does not mean wizard.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 11:19 AM
I believe that Elvish is actually based on existing languages - Quenya on Welsh and Sindarin on Finnish.He's right. I just looked it up in the books: in the elven tongue when you add i at the end of a word it makes it plural, though i don't think this occurs with every word. I think Tolkien intended to create the elven language out of what he thought sounded elegant and cool to him.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 01:35 PM
cool *runs off to bookstore to buy a welsh textbook*
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 02:13 PM
I already knew this. Though, technically Istar does not mean wizard.
Yes, technically it does.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 10:02 PM
No, Istar means "Wise One"
Istari means "Wise Ones"
So no, it does not mean wizard, though this is how it is translated.
Istari means "Wise Ones"
So no, it does not mean wizard, though this is how it is translated.
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 01:09 PM
Now to completely change the subject with my ultimate power of RANDOMNESS ahem. I believe that I (That's a CAPSLOCK I not a normal I...ok?) I should be in the Elven Alliance mod, yesh, with my uber elven powas and..like level 1 ability- Throw stale fortune cookie! *Audio plays when cookie is tossed* *crack* You go to jail bad boy!
ANYWAYS my FIVE cents, not two, bwehehehehe about the whole istar and istari thing is that well, in roleplay forums people are more leniant on allowing wizard characters, it's not because we are a roleplaying forum and we can change the story however we want but it seems that there can be possibilities of having other wizards rather than the two blue wiz's, one white, *fired* white and...and..righto brown.
BTW Just rememberd the most strictest rp forum allowed wizards as long as their background history made sense, they're SO strict on accurate information that they prevented me from joining it and suggested me to go read Silmarillion again when I used the word, "english" because I don't know what the language for men is called o.o
Strange point to make but Celeglin should know about thatz :3 You rped in a LOTR forum havn't you?
ANYWAYS my FIVE cents, not two, bwehehehehe about the whole istar and istari thing is that well, in roleplay forums people are more leniant on allowing wizard characters, it's not because we are a roleplaying forum and we can change the story however we want but it seems that there can be possibilities of having other wizards rather than the two blue wiz's, one white, *fired* white and...and..righto brown.
BTW Just rememberd the most strictest rp forum allowed wizards as long as their background history made sense, they're SO strict on accurate information that they prevented me from joining it and suggested me to go read Silmarillion again when I used the word, "english" because I don't know what the language for men is called o.o
Strange point to make but Celeglin should know about thatz :3 You rped in a LOTR forum havn't you?
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 11:41 PM
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 02:10 AM
Rheia's making fun of how you guys randomly went off topic 
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:27 AM
It is an ADDICTION!!
How elese would I get that many posts so quick? LOL
How elese would I get that many posts so quick? LOL
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 11:40 PM
bluemax,
your right about the ents being made by elves, though after they were created the entwives and the ents had kids, as it says in the ROTK book (not sure if it was in the manuscript or not) and one day the entwives disapeared, so no more ents.
ents can be summoned from the spellbook, why not by radasgat?
and also there are 5 wizards, not 4, the names are saurumon, gandalf, radasgat, allantar, and pallano. allantar and pallano are the blue wizards, though they are a specific kind of wizard like the forest wizard
1. Because EA is stupid like that
2. Summoned by a hero implies that the hero has some sort of power over them (for lack of a better phrase) to bring them there, summoned from a spellbook implies they were just brought there
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 12:29 AM
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 08:46 AM
If Celeglin would create Radagast, I would also suggest to put him rather to rohan than to the Elves
because he actually has no connection to the elves as well as no connection to Rohan, and the fact is that every faction has its wizard
--> Radagast to Rohan
For the elves I would have another suggestion:
Tom Bombadil: He is more linked to the elves
BUT I would say that the elves don't need another here, but Feanor, hehe
If you (meant is Celeglin) create a new herp for the elves than just an "optional one" like Gil-Galad
because he actually has no connection to the elves as well as no connection to Rohan, and the fact is that every faction has its wizard
--> Radagast to Rohan
For the elves I would have another suggestion:
Tom Bombadil: He is more linked to the elves
BUT I would say that the elves don't need another here, but Feanor, hehe
If you (meant is Celeglin) create a new herp for the elves than just an "optional one" like Gil-Galad
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 10:34 AM
like i said, radagast lived in mirkwood, which is where elves live.
bombadil lives near the shire and i dont think he has any connections with the elves or anyone and doesnt fight anyway.
and feanor is dead!
bombadil lives near the shire and i dont think he has any connections with the elves or anyone and doesnt fight anyway.
and feanor is dead!
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 06:30 PM
Just to clear something up from earlier, the Elves did not create the Ents. The Vala Yavanna prayed for there to be guardians of nature and the woods, the answer to her prayer was the Ents. This means they were probably created by Illuvatar.
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 09:29 PM
Tom Bombadil: He is more linked to the elves
Eep! I'm oh so very against Tom ever being in any video game unless he's in his own little realm near the Barrow Downs. It's explicitly stated that he has no power beyond the bounds of his land, and I'm not about to overstep that for a character that I dislike anyway (sorry guys, if I would flip through any part of these books, it would be through Bombadil's chapters). And about Feanor... There are maaaany other Elven heroes I'd do before I'd try that one (Thingol, Beleg, and Luthien are near the top there
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