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[Boy_suicide]

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Just add Raddy to the eagles summon if you make him. There's no other reasonable thing.

[Jsmooth13]

He really shouldn't be in anyway, seeing as how he renounced his Istari status in the first place.

[Bluemax]

I tink it don't work to place radagst in the elven faction because he is a wizard .
If you really want radagast in the game my sugestion put him in rohan

I agree. Rohan and Mordor are the only factions missing a spellcasting/power hero. Works for balance.

Actuallhat would make more sense, putting him with the Eagles summon. Also i just had a brainwave: maybe you could put in (as i said before, in some later version) Denethor as a Gondor hero. There's a mod called the Lord of the Rings Realism Mod that has Denethor; maybe you could ask them to borrow the skin from them or something. Anyway, i was thinking he could have an ability like "Denethor's Madness". He does like double damage and gains more armour or something like that.

Well, you see, the problem with that is, Denethor is INSANE. He won't fight evil, even for his LIFE.

accually the brown wizard is the wizard of the FOREST, mirkwood elves are elves of the FOREST, notice any similarities? they may not be that similar but its a better place for him than anywhere else since he was in the forests far north of rhun. That means hes never been to rohan or gondor. you figure this stuff out when you read the LOTR manuscripts.


my idea for the mod: since the brown wizard is the wizard of the forests id suggest he have a power to summon animals from the forests, ents, wolves, eagles, ect. I like the idea of the summon power for the wizard, just give him a long period of time. (unlike the balrog).

The ents, if you read the books, were created by the elves ages ago, and nobody remembers how to make them anymore. Radaghast definitely shouldn't be able to summon ents.

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*coughelvenalliancenotaddeverything2gigabytealliancecough*
Just add Raddy to the eagles summon if you make him. There's no other reasonable thing.

Of course there is! make him a Rohan Hero!

He really shouldn't be in anyway, seeing as how he renounced his Istari status in the first place.

Since when did Radaghast renounce that he was an Istari? He has always been an Istari, and has never rejected this. >_>

And even if he did, it doesn't mean he can't be in the game.

[Celeglin]

If Radaghast ends up in the mod, Rohan will be one of the last places I'd put him. Rohan "needing" a spell-casting hero is not reason enough for me to jam him in there.

[Bluemax]

Ok. I just liked the idea and thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.

[Jsmooth13]

"Indeed, of all the Istari, one only remained faithful, and he was the last-comer [Olorin (Gandalf)]. For Radagast (Aiwendil), the fourth, became enamoured of the many beasts and birds that dwelt in Middle-Earth. and forsook Elves and Men, and spent his days among the wild creatures"

-The Istari Essay
From the Unfinished Tales.

Edited by Jsmooth13, 12 March 2006 - 06:04 AM.

[Celeglin]

A later quote (one that I can't be arsed to go find for this pointless argument) shows that he meant "faithful to their original purpose". Radagast, as was shown through his actions in the Fellowship of the Ring, did not abandon being faithful to Good; the reason why he was "unfaithful" was that, though he never abandoned Good for the sake of the animals/trees, he abandoned Elves and Men. I think he is a character much like Bombadil, Elrond, Cirdan, and Galadriel in that he would stay in his niche all the way until the storm reached his home; then he would defend it to the last.

Edited by Celeglin, 12 March 2006 - 02:55 PM.

[Bluemax]

A later quote (one that I can't be arsed to go find for this pointless argument) shows that he meant "faithful to their original purpose". Radagast, as was shown through his actions in the Fellowship of the Ring, did not abandon being faithful to Good; the reason why he was "unfaithful" was that, though he never abandoned Good for the sake of the animals/trees, he abandoned Elves and Men. I think he is a character much like Bombadil, Elrond, Cirdan, and Galadriel in that he would stay in his niche all the way until the storm reached his home; then he would defend it to the last.

Makes sense, he seemed like that kind of guy.

"Indeed, of all the Istari, one only remained faithful, and he was the last-comer [Olorin (Gandalf)]. For Radagast (Aiwendil), the fourth, became enamoured of the many beasts and birds that dwelt in Middle-Earth. and forsook Elves and Men, and spent his days among the wild creatures"

-The Istari Essay
From the Unfinished Tales.

Wait, if there were four, and three of them were Saruman the White, Gandalf the Grey, and Radaghast the Brown, who was the fourth, out of sheer curiosity?

[Celeglin]

There were five wizards. The other two are known as the Blue Wizards (their names in Valinor were Alatar and Pallando). In regards to Radagast being known as the "fourth", it's because Saruman was first to arrive in Middle-Earth, then the Blue Wizards, then Radagast, and lastly Gandalf. Tada.

[Artifice]

I think theres two more, right?

[Jsmooth13]

No there are only 5. It has been stated thousands of times throughout the book and its "history" books.


For those of you who haven't read these "history" books, the best example is when Saruman siad to Gandalf (not exact quote, I don't feel like finding it)

something about "You'd return it to me only after having the rods of the five wizards, the crowns of seven kings, the one ring, and the keys to Barad-dur herself"

It goes something like that.

[Artifice]

Wait, if there were four, and three of them were Saruman the White, Gandalf the Grey, and Radaghast the Brown, who was the fourth, out of sheer curiosity?

I was responding to that, not to Celeglin, so I must have been posting at the same time as him. What I meant was 2 more besides Saruman, Gandalf, and Radagast, instead of 4 like Bluemax said

[Conor]

bluemax,

your right about the ents being made by elves, though after they were created the entwives and the ents had kids, as it says in the ROTK book (not sure if it was in the manuscript or not) and one day the entwives disapeared, so no more ents.


ents can be summoned from the spellbook, why not by radasgat?

and also there are 5 wizards, not 4, the names are saurumon, gandalf, radasgat, allantar, and pallano. allantar and pallano are the blue wizards, though they are a specific kind of wizard like the forest wizard

Edited by Conor, 16 March 2006 - 01:33 AM.

[Jsmooth13]

We already know there was 5.

Anyway, not true about what each was supposed to do.

They were chosen from their Valar's tribe. This just so happens that they were "experting" in something I'd guess you say. However, their number one purpose was to rid of Morgath's Servent without openly challanging him.

[Mathijs]

Actually there may have been more.. Tolkien said that 5 travelled to the West. There may have been more. I have read an interesting theory on this once..