Master Thudo on the AI for CNC3.
#81
Posted 01 April 2007 - 06:26 AM
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#82
Posted 01 April 2007 - 07:47 AM
Btw, by far the hardest of the AI personalities is now STEAMROLLER. My GDI AI ally was set to that and he absolutely owned the Nod. I just sat back @ my side and did zero. He mass-solider and zone trooped the bastard! WOW!
Nod AI still was good but could not stop such an onslaught of troops.
So it is as suggested, then. It's only that one specific personality that's got messy build-orders. Well, I'm glad it's not only me, then. Thudo, do you have what it takes to fix this mess? Meaning such things as the correct tools or whatever EA releases, etc? If not, any idea about when such things could be released? I'm kinda contemplating uninstalling the game until then; especially if it's not long due...
Edited by Adolphus Perrywinkle the 13th, 01 April 2007 - 08:00 AM.
#83
Posted 01 April 2007 - 01:04 PM
Well noone can do anything until EA unlocks the game for modding. I tried examining in detail where the AI scripts are but for pete's sake their archived in there. Unless it can be extracted I cannot work on any of those suggestions.Thudo, do you have what it takes to fix this mess? Meaning such things as the correct tools or whatever EA releases, etc?
Btw, I played as Scrin last nite for the first time, set my ally as a GDI Hard-Random, then the Nod enemy AI as Hard-Random and guess what? Better game. My GDI player surprisingly was kicking butt. Try it.. Dunno if it something to do with me being Scrin. More testing as usual.
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#84
Posted 01 April 2007 - 01:31 PM
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Posted 01 April 2007 - 01:48 PM
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Posted 01 April 2007 - 02:07 PM
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Posted 01 April 2007 - 02:19 PM
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#88
Posted 01 April 2007 - 02:38 PM
*EDIT* Done. I even set the AI to "Steamroller". He still got mashed. Only difference being that instead of endlessly spamming useless Grenadiers, he was endlessly spamming Missile Squads, and focused more on building Predators than APCs. Still no other units out than APCs, Missile Squads and Predators, though. Yay.
Edited by Adolphus Perrywinkle the 13th, 01 April 2007 - 03:02 PM.
#89
Posted 01 April 2007 - 03:09 PM
Thus I'm assuming that the GDI uselessness is because of a bug rather than sloppyness.
Edited by Adolphus Perrywinkle the 13th, 01 April 2007 - 05:49 PM.
#90
Posted 01 April 2007 - 05:53 PM
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Posted 01 April 2007 - 05:59 PM
#92
Posted 01 April 2007 - 06:36 PM
AI really needs to tech to get to heavier vehicles and I NEVER SEE BUGGIES - what the hell? I damn well wish I could get access to the code! Grrrrrrr!
Still.. I'm noticing GDI kicking Nod now with Preds, APCs, and troops. Some Orcas were called in as well but its nowhere a good mix that I want to see and much earlier on. There is some work to do thats fer sure but alas, without a way to open the byatch up.. can't do much.
Sorry then d00d.. thats not my experience. Had another game with 2 GDI AIs vs 2 Nod AIs (all on Hard-Random) and it was GDI's day. Basically, GDI spammed Preds, APCs, and troops. Teching was slow as frick'n shiet.
AI really needs to tech to get to heavier vehicles and I NEVER SEE BUGGIES - what the hell? I damn well wish I could get access to the code! Grrrrrrr!
Still.. I'm noticing GDI kicking Nod now with Preds, APCs, and troops. Some Orcas were called in as well but its nowhere a good mix that I want to see and much earlier on. There is some work to do thats fer sure but alas, without a way to open the byatch up.. can't do much.
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Posted 01 April 2007 - 09:03 PM
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#97
Posted 01 April 2007 - 10:22 PM
Btw, anyone figure out where the actual \DATA folder is supposed to be in C&C3? I have an ini file thats supposed to be in \data\ini\default, for example, but then game never uses it. Complicating things.. C&C3 has multiple folders so it could be \CORE or \RetailEXE or even in the root of C&C3. Arrgghhh..
@Adolphus - its yer abbreviated name ya silly.
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#98
Posted 02 April 2007 - 03:04 AM
And yes, GDI has a fascination with building APCs and witnessing some minor jamming with brutal steamroller, a nice chunk of their forces lost to a brutal balanced's ion cannon, then balanced cleaned up the remainder of the base in my GDI FFA 4 players observation.
I also have noticed turtling AI go dry on funds, as well as others sometimes. Hopefully some configuration settings will let them have more resources RA2 style but not as insane fundwise.
AI really needs to get it's act together with base defenses covering every possible entrance, especially turtle AI (he had like one AA turret while the rest were lasers)
Edited by mrchris, 02 April 2007 - 03:21 AM.
#99
Posted 02 April 2007 - 12:08 PM
Thanks Hogo.. I could use yer help and insight into how to better effectively script/plan better Skirmish AI. I wrote my observations on the latter part of Page4 of this thread. EA needs to do its part now.
Btw, anyone figure out where the actual \DATA folder is supposed to be in C&C3? I have an ini file thats supposed to be in \data\ini\default, for example, but then game never uses it. Complicating things.. C&C3 has multiple folders so it could be \CORE or \RetailEXE or even in the root of C&C3. Arrgghhh..
@Adolphus - its yer abbreviated name ya silly.
Im going to do some observations as well and do each test 3 times just to make sure but i tested lastnight and the NOD Balanced Brutal got slaughtered by the GDI AI.
1 Thing i did notice is that the Ai used a heap of jugganaughts but the nod AI did not use any avatars what so ever and the AI really does not respond to base threats very fast.
I will keep my eyes open for more
And i am happy to help
#100
Posted 02 April 2007 - 04:32 PM
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