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#41 Mathijs

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 05:46 AM

And... I'm pretty sure that elves could drown as well. So I'm sorry, elves could also die outside of battle., and it was specifically that they could die with a lack of breath. You're not seriously saying he was in his grave for thousands of years, are you? That's rediculous.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 05:52 PM

As I said, it's a theory, and theories aren't always right, you know. And B: Glorfindel was buried in a mound of rocks, not dirt. He could have also landed on the Balrog, by that I mean that he could have hung on to the balrog, then when the crash came he would let go and land on the balrog. But still, it's a THEORY!
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 05:59 PM

If he was buried beneath a mound of rocks how did yellow flowers grow over his grave?

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 06:17 PM

I know the answer to this:

MAGIC !

Magic. The best method to explain everything in Lord of the Rings. And every other fantasy worlds as well.
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 06:26 PM

As I said, it's a theory, and theories aren't always right, you know. And B: Glorfindel was buried in a mound of rocks, not dirt. He could have also landed on the Balrog, by that I mean that he could have hung on to the balrog, then when the crash came he would let go and land on the balrog. But still, it's a THEORY!



If he was buried beneath a mound of rocks how did yellow flowers grow over his grave?



I know the answer to this:

MAGIC !

Magic. The best method to explain everything in Lord of the Rings. And every other fantasy worlds as well.

A: I said it was a theory.
B: Can you explain ghosts? Or magic? No, somethings can't be explained. Anything's possible.
C: It might just be magic. We will never know the truth.
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 06:32 PM

I know the answer to this:

MAGIC !

Magic. The best method to explain everything in Lord of the Rings. And every other fantasy worlds as well.

Magic in Middle-earth.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 07:04 PM

I've already seen that text, Mike - I was just joking with the magic-thingie :p
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 07:09 PM

Good :p

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 07:10 PM

He went to the halls of Mandos, that was said by Tolkien himself. Therefore, he perished. But this is a useless arguement.

Edited by Crazy Intellectual Liberal, 19 June 2008 - 12:27 AM.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:39 PM

He went to the halls of mandos, that was said by Tolkien himself. Therefore, he perished. But this is a useless arguement.

In which book?
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:52 PM

As I said, it's a theory, and theories aren't always right, you know. And B: Glorfindel was buried in a mound of rocks, not dirt. He could have also landed on the Balrog, by that I mean that he could have hung on to the balrog, then when the crash came he would let go and land on the balrog. But still, it's a THEORY!



If he was buried beneath a mound of rocks how did yellow flowers grow over his grave?



I know the answer to this:

MAGIC !

Magic. The best method to explain everything in Lord of the Rings. And every other fantasy worlds as well.

A: I said it was a theory.
B: Can you explain ghosts? Or magic? No, somethings can't be explained. Anything's possible.
C: It might just be magic. We will never know the truth.

A: Your theory ignores the facts.
B: I don't believe in ghosts or magic. Everything can be explained eventually, and no, anything is not possible. You appear to be living in some strange surreal fantasy world if you actually believe in magic or ghosts. Get a grip.
C: We already know the truth; Glorfindel died fighting a Balrog, went to the Halls of Mandos and was sent back later.

How you came up with the ''theory'' of him being buried alive and staying put for thousands of years is beyond me, but the ''theory'' itself is rediculous and obscure.

Edited by Matias, 18 June 2008 - 09:55 PM.

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 12:21 AM

Well, there's also this. Maeglin pushed Turgon off of the top of his castle in Gondolin. Turgon died. Any injuries that are indirectly caused by the Balrog onto Glorfindel would have been able to kill him.

Edited by Crazy Intellectual Liberal, 19 June 2008 - 12:22 AM.

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 01:14 AM

I hope that was a bad joke...

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 03:38 AM

Well, there's also this. Maeglin pushed Turgon off of the top of his castle in Gondolin. Turgon died. Any injuries that are indirectly caused by the Balrog onto Glorfindel would have been able to kill him.



I hope that was a bad joke...

I wished it was a bad joke, but:
A: It was Tuor, not Turgon.
B: It was a fight.
C: Maeglin was the one pushed off a wall on a MOUNTAIN were the castle was made.
D: The ground were Maeglin fell was on fire.
E: True, never thought of that.
And Matias, JUST DROP IT! You can't explain everything and every detail. Sometimes, you have to look at everything at every different veiw.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 03:59 AM

Er..whether that view is skewed or not can be left to one's imagination :p

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 04:33 AM

Er..whether that view is skewed or not can be left to one's imagination :p

What do you think I was using for my theory?
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 09:37 PM

Ring, you are wrong. Maeglin pushed Turgon off and Tuor pushed Maeglin off afterwards (IIRC, which I probably do). Anyways, if he landed in fire, he would have died.

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 11:39 PM

And Matias, JUST DROP IT! You can't explain everything and every detail. Sometimes, you have to look at everything at every different veiw.

There's different views, and there's also ignoring facts and making up your own.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 03:40 AM

Matias, SHUT UP!
C.I.L., Turgon died when Gondolin, his kingdom, got attacked by Morgoth, the first dark lord, because Maeglin GAVE Morgoth the location of the castle and every detail about it to destroy it, and in return, he gets Gondolin's remains and Turgon's daughter, Idril Celebrindal. So, in short, Maeglin did cause the death of Turgon, but didn't push him of his castle. Turgon got killed on 1 on 1 combat against Gothmog, LORD of the Balrogs, Morgoth's balrog army leader, who was sent on Morgoth's orders, because Maeglin TOLD Morgoth where Gondolin was.
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 06:38 AM

Actually, Turgon was killed when his tower was collapsed on his head as he refused to abandon the city, on the advice of the sdvice of Maeglin as he was close to his heart, as he was Aredhel( his sister's) son. Ecthellion a great high elf hero of the noldorian slay Gothmog and in the process died, and glorfindel fought off another balrog as Idril was leading the refugees of Gondolin through her secret path, as she foresee a change in Maeglin many years early after he was captured by Morgoth, otherwise the task would have fallen to her




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