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[Vithar-133]

First, how does the King of the Dead fit with the Dwarves???

Second, this topic need to be killed. It's floundering in worthlessness and is getting worse very fast.

[Puppeteer]

You just stole that from Wote: Black Eagle!? King of the Dead!? Desist from all these generic outdated suggestions!
Amen to that mike

Edited by Puppeteer, 19 August 2008 - 10:16 PM.

[CIL]

Ignore this, I accidentally double posted.

Edited by Crazy Intellectual Liberal, 23 August 2008 - 09:34 PM.

[CIL]

I think that Rob has already come up with something: Super powerful heroes with ring, and they die of corruption (or something like that) after a certain amount of time using the ring. Except for Mordor, I think. They get Sauron.

[Vithar-133]

Aye, that is one path at least, there are at the moment, two for the Good factions. Not sure about evil.

[{IP} Aridor]

I think that Rob has decided this already.

[Vithar-133]

We continually repeat ourselves with different words every time...Perhaps we should stop dealing with this topic for now.

[Hasfusel]

1: The corruption of the Ring cannot actually kill, just force the mind of the individual who wears it into selfish evil. Although if the mind of the indiviudual is not strong enough, after a while the Ring begins to control him/her instead (in Soviet Russia, ring wears you! Oh, never mind...). A slave to the will of the Ring, the individual could dwindle and become wraith-like, he would begin to fade and live permanently in the world of shadows, among other effects. So Gandalf might never die/fade/etc, but just turn... evil? Certainly not very nice. A powerful lord with the strength of mind to control it, such as Glorfindel or Aragorn, might do the same, although eventually they too would become obcessed with power and would stop caring about the plight of others, and begin to suspect everyone of wanting to steal their precious. (much like Shadar Logoth in the Wheel of Time, see? The Ring is like Mat's golden dagger... Oh, you haven't read the Wheel of Time? You should.)
A lord with nobility and courage but weaker spirit, such as Éomer or Boromir, would use the Ring to maximum effect, gaining immense powers of leadership and domination, but eventually they would become a slave to the will of the Ring.
So when you are playing as any good race (including Arnor) the weaker the hero, the faster it should become to be corrupted, although some heroes, such as Glorfindel, Gandalf, Aragorn, Celeborn, Círdan, Arveleg, Galadriel and Elrond, cannot become overpowered by the force of the Ring and remain whole, although you could come up with some adverse effects such as sometimes randomly attacking their own troops after awhile. If you really wanted to pay attention to detail, you could make a special Ring power set for each Good hero individually, giving powerful magic attacks to wizard heroes such as Galadriel, Gandalf, Radagast and Círdan, leadership/weapon abilities for leaders such as Boromir, Éomer, Brand and Gimli, and a mixture of both for heroes like Aragorn and the other dwarf heroes (this is balanced because although there are no dwarves with exceptional will, Tolkein's writings say that almost all dwarves can use dwarf-magic to a certain extent, especially the Lore-masters).
If you play as Goblins, the idea could be that you have summoned up Sauron using the ring, but now control him using the power of his tool. Or, as someone suggested earlier, Drogoth could use the ring, or the lesser heroes such as Azog and the Great Goblin could wield it and not be corrupted.
Isengard could have it as only Saruman can wield the Ring, but to better effect than any other hero except Sauron. After all, he specialized in Ringlore all his life as a Wizard, and the army of Isengard is built primarily to recover the Ring for their master - Lurtz, say, or Sharku using it would make no sense.
Mordor and MotE use the Ring as normal, to recruit Sauron the Great and use him to dominate the world, although this would cost exceptional resources and time.
According to Tolkein, the one who controlled the Ring controlled the Ring-Wraithes (the Nazgul), but it seems hard to balance this fairly. Maybe they could all die or something when the Ring is wielded by a non-Mordor/MotE hero.

2: I like the idea of using Frodo or Gollum to find the Ring.

3: Bear in mind that we don't really want the Ring to dominate the whole purpose of the game. Or do we? (maybe we do, heh heh )

[*Ranger*]

Pesonally i want the ring heros to be game ending but it would have to be easy to take the ring back, like not taking the ring to the fortress because if you want the ring you have to destroy their fortress and it is hard at mid/ late game. I think if you have the ring a building should be avaliable to build, like a staue of Sauron ect, so that way you have a half decent chance of taking the ring off the enemy.

[Hasfusel]

The weirdo who made the G.E.M mod made Bill Ferny as the Isengard ringhero. As if Saruman would willingly pass the Master Ring to a horse theif, and said horse theif would go round blasting the heck out of whatever was nearby.
I think someone's been eating paint chips again...

[Scryer]

This might not be the place and time but:

Hasfusel, it's not a good idea to insult someone else's work. Mods are made for personal use so I find it amazing that mod leaders (and their project members) release their work to the public for free. That was a choice that the mod leader made, so you have to respect that. And even if you don't, you sure as hell don't go posting about it. You can have an opinion, but publically posting about an opinion that is intended to insult someone does not make you look good.

You are insulting the amount of time and commitment that the G.E.M mod team put into that project -which was done just for fun. Feel free to give constructive criticism on it (like Rob has allowed us to do) but don't go insulting their effort and work. It was a stylistic (thanks AA! It was the second word that I screwed up ) choice made by the mod leader and you should respect that like you should respect Rob's choices for the mod (I'm not saying that you don't, by the way).

If you don't particularly agree with the mod, find another. You are in no way forced to play it.

Edited by Scryer, 16 September 2008 - 11:26 PM.

[{IP} Aridor]

That is a word you just used it wrong

[Rafv Nin IV]

There's a rather fitting rework of the ring system already that involves each hero being able to pick up the ring and use it to the best of his/her ability, taking into account corruption, or being able to bring it back to the fortress to get faction-wide benefits. It's somewhere in this thread.

[Vithar-133]

Please stop posting lists of potential ring heroes. The system has been redesigned and as it is, I think that the new system will be more effective, and make more sense.

[Puppeteer]

Gil-Galad, Eorl and some Olog-hai create-a-hero guy? Hardly perfect... read the pages, Rob's designed the perfect system.

[Rafv Nin IV]

This thread should be closed.

[Devon]

Nah...then all these posts would just go to general comments

[Annullus The Grey]

yoda are you making sense shame on you shame on you