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[coinich]

I'm gonna dare break up this conversation here, but is a Star Wars mod forum the best place for this? Does the Revora forums have a specific area for modern events type discussions? Would pm's work better?

[SpardaSon21]

I fail to see how this we are debating art in any way shape or form. We are mainly talking about the putrescent piles of poodoo that are masquerading as Star Wars novels. So yes, a Star Wars mod forum is appropriate.

And there were gay Mandos? That really doesn't seem anything Mandalorians would approve of since gay guys are over-emotional wusses. They probably don't mind gays, they just mind gay guys saying they are Mandalorians. Over-emotional wussbags are bad for their reputation as stone-cold killers.

[Phoenix Rising]

My problem with the less-firm DSP rules is that it allows players to get away with a lot more stuff then before without getting DSPs, which I don't agree with.

Don't you decide as GM what qualifies for them and what doesn't? Just give them the DSP as normal, but present equal opportunity to get FP to lower them. Make it easier to come back from the dark, in other words.

I'm gonna dare break up this conversation here, but is a Star Wars mod forum the best place for this? Does the Revora forums have a specific area for modern events type discussions?

I agree; we should keep these forums free from real-world political discussions... and possibly the Legacy Series in general, since both are such a disaster. Joking on the last part... but Revora does have a forum for current events and such, so don't get so far off-topic that I have to move your posts there.

[anakinskysolo]

I don't like the Legacy comic books, but I enjoyed the LotF novel series. However, I didn't like Karen Traviss too much. Anyway, I believe that there are good authors in the SW universe, such as James Luceno, Timothy Zahn, Michael Reaves, Steve Perry, Aaron Allston, etc. I have problems with the ones that really have not done their homework, like in some cases, Traviss, who stated that she didn't read other SW books. For me, everyone who writes about SW has to like it and should read at least a couple of other SW books, because the saga has a unique style that I think is not easy to reproduce. The Legacy comic series is another matter entirely. Please don't say again "many sacrifices of the SW universe were in vain" because Luke's and Anakin's are supposed NOT to be in vane, they are supposed to bring balance to the Force. I would have accepted a Legacy comic series 10000 years after LotF, but unfortunately they just threw everything away and started from zero, even totally invalidating what was said in the movies. Seriously, Kaleb Graff, there is more to the SW universe than RPG. If SW is to feel real, then not everything has to be black or white. The Force is a huge concept, and everyone understands it differently.
I have high hopes for the new series that is going to be published this year, and I hope Luke leaves a surprise for the Sith that finally enables the Jedi to win and have some peace in the galaxy for a time. And Sith to be defeated once and for all. I'm tired of them.
BTW, PR, according to The Essential Chronology, the Intimidator was found wrecked and adrifted in the Unknown Regions and couldn't be restored.

[Kaleb Graff]

Sorry, I see things in RPG terms. I was trying to use an analogy that we had moved into relativism, away from a more absolute view of the force. I'm not endorsing no grey areas, but it seems to me that we have moved away from just the light and dark sides.

[Kitkun]

"Use the Grey Side of the Force!"
Just doesn't have the same ring to it...

The Skywalkers' sacrifices bring peace and balance to the Force. For something like two weeks. There's less turmoil when the Empire is in power.

Edited by Kitkun, 14 January 2009 - 02:32 AM.

[Kaleb Graff]

The Skywalkers' sacrifices bring peace and balance to the Force. For something like two weeks. There's less turmoil when the Empire is in power.

Too true. Maybe we should invalidate everything after NJO in P-canon.

[Tropical Bob]

Please don't say again "many sacrifices of the SW universe were in vain" because Luke's and Anakin's are supposed NOT to be in vane, they are supposed to bring balance to the Force.

It's true though. How many Jedi died during the Clone Wars to protect the Republic and the Jedi Order? How many people died during the Yuuzhan Vong War trying to stop the Vong advance? Not all sacrifices were even fatal circumstances. Leia sacrificed so much trying to keep corruption out of the New Republic Senate, and tried to keep the New Republic together, but despite her best efforts, everything crumbled in the end. Luke went to the Dark Side during Operation Shadow Hand in order to defeat the reborn Palpatine, but that sacrifice was in vain, because it was his return to the Light Side that brought results, not his fall into darkness.

So I will say again: Many sacrifices in the Star Wars universe are in vain. No one can bring permanent positive change to an entire galaxy, even Luke.

BTW, PR, according to The Essential Chronology, the Intimidator was found wrecked and adrifted in the Unknown Regions and couldn't be restored.

I think he meant there should be a book about its journey into the Unknown Regions, and what led to it being so wrecked and adrift.

[Kitkun]

No one can bring permanent positive change to an entire galaxy, even Luke.

Not permanently of course. But at least it could be for longer than it takes to say "Not this **** again..."

[Phoenix Rising]

BTW, PR, according to The Essential Chronology, the Intimidator was found wrecked and adrifted in the Unknown Regions and couldn't be restored.

I think he meant there should be a book about its journey into the Unknown Regions, and what led to it being so wrecked and adrift.

Right. Wasn't it returned to Imperial control? Why would they take it to the Unknown Regions? Who would have the firepower to destroy the most powerful ship in the galaxy? Those sort of questions have yet to be answered. Perhaps it could be written as an early engagement with the Praetorite Vong or something of that sort.

I just wanted to prove Tropical Bob wrong for one instance ... although I generally agree with his point. But, hey, this story wouldn't require and more new hidden fleets, so it wouldn't be as bad. Or something.

[Tropical Bob]

The Skywalkers' sacrifices bring peace and balance to the Force. For something like two weeks. There's less turmoil when the Empire is in power.

Not permanently of course. But at least it could be for longer than it takes to say "Not this **** again..."

Because, when the losers good guys are in power, there are things like free will, and freedom, and other such nonsense.

When the Empire is in power, no one dares raise a hand in any other manner than politely pointing out that they have something to say, most likely being about how much they love the Empire.

Right. Wasn't it returned to Imperial control? Why would they take it to the Unknown Regions? Who would have the firepower to destroy the most powerful ship in the galaxy? Those sort of questions have yet to be answered. Perhaps it could be written as an early engagement with the Praetorite Vong or something of that sort.

I just wanted to prove Tropical Bob wrong for one instance ... although I generally agree with his point. But, hey, this story wouldn't require and more new hidden fleets, so it wouldn't be as bad. Or something.

Correct: at the end of the Yevethan Crisis. The Imperials used slave circuits in order to return the Intimidator and the rest of the Imperial ships to Imperial control. I think I remember them heading off int he direction of the Deep Core, however...So the main question is why did it end up in the Unknown Regions, and where did all the other ships go?

And I agree, it would be different, because we know that it didn't threaten the New Republic. So it's not really another hidden fleet emerging to desteroyz us.

Edited by Tropical Bob, 14 January 2009 - 05:59 AM.

[anakinskysolo]

Please don't say again "many sacrifices of the SW universe were in vain" because Luke's and Anakin's are supposed NOT to be in vane, they are supposed to bring balance to the Force.

It's true though. How many Jedi died during the Clone Wars to protect the Republic and the Jedi Order? How many people died during the Yuuzhan Vong War trying to stop the Vong advance? Not all sacrifices were even fatal circumstances. Leia sacrificed so much trying to keep corruption out of the New Republic Senate, and tried to keep the New Republic together, but despite her best efforts, everything crumbled in the end. Luke went to the Dark Side during Operation Shadow Hand in order to defeat the reborn Palpatine, but that sacrifice was in vain, because it was his return to the Light Side that brought results, not his fall into darkness.

So I will say again: Many sacrifices in the Star Wars universe are in vain. No one can bring permanent positive change to an entire galaxy, even Luke.

BTW, PR, according to The Essential Chronology, the Intimidator was found wrecked and adrifted in the Unknown Regions and couldn't be restored.

I think he meant there should be a book about its journey into the Unknown Regions, and what led to it being so wrecked and adrift.

Yeah but all the six movies center on Anakin and Luke, and the movies are the most important piece of the SW universe. The whole point made by George Lucas is completely lost when you realize that everything Luke did was in vain. He even said that for him, the end of SW is Episode VI. The rest just doesn't happen. I didn't agree with him, but now I realize that for the good of the SW universe a part of what he says is right, because the moviesare now secondary, just one more SW story. And it shouldn't be that way.

About the Intimidator, I think that a novel about that would be really amazing. I also want to see in more detail how the Grand Admirals were defeated and how the New Republic was able to defeat Pellaeon and the EX-F, you know, when they sent Wedge and the Lusankya to fight him.

[Devon]

Another star wars and eu nerd shows up!

Back to what somewhat said earlier, Traitor is one of my top three all time star wars books, Stover just has such a great style when writing.

Legacy wasn't really any worse than some of the other series out there, and Travis isn't the worst author either. I hated her for a while for killing off Mara...but other than that, I think she did a decentish job.

The logic behind the Mando thing was that Jacen had no idea it was even Jaina coming after him; he thought it was Luke. Even if he had known, he might not have expected her to go all psycho on him, and there was a chance she could have killed him. I don't agree with the reasoning, but I can see where it comes from.

Personally I love Mandos...though I thought the best book in LotF for them was Sacrifice, don't think she went 100% overboard with them on that. I do like the RC books a lot better though.


I agree with the movies being overshadowed, but what can you do? Lucas and company want the money, so they ask for books to be written. And what other is going to intentionally write a story with a not so exciting or important plot...

[SpardaSon21]

Personally I love Mandos...though I thought the best book in LotF for them was Sacrifice, don't think she went 100% overboard with them on that. I do like the RC books a lot better though.

Agreed. Too bad there isn't a sequel. Omega>Delta. Shatter guns FTW!

[Pred the Penguin]

Personally, I love Mandalorians too, but Legacy made them all weird. O_o

Mandalorians would have been better off as the bad-ass soldiers they really are. =/

I'm gonna dare break up this conversation here, but is a Star Wars mod forum the best place for this? Does the Revora forums have a specific area for modern events type discussions? Would pm's work better?

This is what you get when several Star Wars fans together. XD

[SpardaSon21]

Personally, I love Mandalorians too, but Legacy made them all weird. O_o

Mandalorians would have been better off as the bad-ass soldiers they really are. =/

I take it you missed the scene where around 10 beskar-armored Mandos take on an entire conference room full of Stormtrooper Elite Guards? Not to mention one of them manages to semi-survive against Jacen in hand-to-hand until he brings out shatterpoint.

[Sion4000]

I actually liked new jedi order.
I just hated it when Anakin died. I truly believe that that was the worst literary decision ever made in the history of star wars books.
I mean come on. he was the most promising character in that series. especially after what happened with tahiri.
It was a true waste of character. I curse Del Rey! D'orik Vong Pratte!

Sorry for making you listen to my rant