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[Johnny Ridden]

He also did Dai-Guard, trust me, the fact he managed to not make the end of FMA suck was amazing (given how he was told at the very last minute that he had to invent his own ending so not to pass the manga) he knows what he's doing.

Also Fukuda is a good director, ever seen Gear Fighter Dendoh? its fuckwin, the problem was mainly in the writing with destiny, according to his wife she wouldn't want to try having a new cast while keeping the old cast again without a Co-Lead, apparantly some of the stuff at the end looked better on paper than when it was done but I can't confirm that.

Edited by Johnny Ridden, 11 February 2008 - 05:22 AM.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Every director has an up and down. For now i blackmark fukuda for seed, but thats just for now. Since he's doing the movie, i'll see then if he redeems himself.

Anyway, now i may lift my spoiler filter for this week.

Johnny, i think we can be reasonably certain that either CB is not unitied, therefore we should be refering to Setsuna's group as the good guys and the throne unit as the bad guys, or the throne unit is not part of cb at all. In that case, cb is still a good guy in the show, and that msg the proff got was really transmitted by someone in the throne unit either way.

At first i thought that exia's going to be destroyed the next episode, but the preview suggests not. Im still wondering if setsuna will actually pilot (hypothetical at this point) the gundam 00, which may or may not yet exist.

The Saji/Louise storyline has convinced me i need to continue watching the show. It's reminded me that this isnt the washout seed was. Yet.

I will lose faith if saji becomes a pilot or something similarly cliche tho.

[Johnny Ridden]

How are setsuna's CB the good guys? they adressed this in episode 1, "Stopping violance with more violance?" ect, the show has made it clear that the power blocs are the good guys, setsuna and co aren't themselves bad, but they are working for the bad guy, thats like saying that a henchman working for an evil mastermind isn't a bad guy if they don't know what they are working for really, despite the fact they are blowing things up and defeating the good guys for a "noble cause" as far as they know.

Given how its pretty clear Veda did the whole "You have witnessed too much" thing you can see that veda isn't a good guy.

[Crusader]

ONCE AGAIN!!!!! DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE DAMN NEW EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Throne Units, by now, clearly seems to be Non-CB, VEDA IS A QUANTUM COMPUTER SYSTEM, NOT A PERSON!!!!






Damn newbies, 10 posts and ur already getting everyone against you lol.


Edit:
Sry got so frustrated I forgot to actually comment on the episode.
It was quite satisfying to see the lead Throne Unit getting his arm taken off with his own Sabre. Props to Grahm.

Also, just noticed something about the opening.(I usually skip it after seeing it once but this time I actually spent the time watching through it). and unfortunately for SG, Patrick doesnt even make an appearance in it. The part where they are showing all the Ace pilots of earth's different factions, the Mercenary guy was in his red Enact, but Patrick was no where to be seen. I wonder if this has any connections to his being mostly useless.

Edited by Crusader, 12 February 2008 - 12:11 AM.

[Dark Lord Revan]

He's comic relief. Comic relief characters dont always make it into the opening. Since we're on the subject, about the ending, whats the significance of that wing-shaped thingy at the end? the glowing thing that the meisters look at.

Right, crusader may have burst out with his answer, but i agree with him. Watch the episode carefully before you make this sort of comment. Veda is a quantum computer and even if crusader is wrong and veda sent the msg, notice that in sumeragi's opinion, they should be working OUTSIDE of veda now. Regardless, veda is an emotionless strategic computer. You cant call a group evil for having it. Also, the new meisters are not in veda's database. They have been established to most likely be false gundams. That also means they are NOT receiveing orders from veda, in fact, in ep 18 they specifically said they received orders from laguna, whatever that is.

Also, you yourself make the comment that setsuna and co are not truly bad guys, but they work for bad guys. Erm. Then arent you agreeing with me? Dont contradict yourself. And dont think i cant get pissed off like crusader here too >_> there's this idiot in the unit suggestions forum....meh....

[Sykes]

once again, CB are not the good guys, the 3 power blocs are the good guys.

HRL experiments on little kids so I wouldn't really call them one of the good guys.

CB are terrorits, the differance is the 4 meisters are the IRA while the Thrones are Al Quieda essensially.

They arent really terrorists. Terrorist attacks usually take place on civilians to cause fear and create a threat. CB or at least the 4 original gundams have never attacked anyone other than other militaries. Not to mention Lockon would never join a terrorist organization based on his history with terrorism.

Now the throne group could definitely be called terrorists.

So I would say that HRL and the thrones are probably the only bad guys per say. The 4 original gundam are probably most like the "good" guys though.

Episode 18 was really good. I cant say that I really like any of the thrones (characters or ms designs) so Graham owning one of them was a nice treat.

Edited by Sykes, 12 February 2008 - 01:51 AM.

[CorSec]

Yeah, any liking for those three went out the window after that episode. Acre's thrashing was great and I'm looking foward to Setsuna getting into the faces of the throne "gundams" next episode. Part of me wishes though that Setsuna would grab Micheal's blade from him and give that jerk a Nichol like death, but thats just me.

Edited by CorSec, 12 February 2008 - 04:01 AM.

[Dark Lord Revan]

I still think setsuna's going to have his ass handed to him. I dont think that he's that great a pilot, and so far exia itself's been propping up up. When faced with MS which are as advanced, give or take a few attributes, i can see exia getting destroyed. As i said before, the preview doesnt give that sort of tone tho.

Sykes, dude, your sig is GREAT

[GhostlySubstance]

(Ranting, hope you can catch up with my train of thoughts)

Patricks a comic relief? Hes more pissed then a joker who cracks sadistic jokes. Ended up de-arming a Throne unit showing that FLAG units are superior through skill. Its hard to mass-produce skill since not everybody is as skilled as the other so we ended up having the Gundams owning here and there because the training is too expensive to even train every single pilot on the globe, even if its split into three factions. I hope Stargazer sees this and if he does and still pissed at how Gundams are still raping while they're still wet behind the ears then alright point taken.

Gotta say poor Louise, randomly getting attacked by a bored Neena. Seeing those three Throne Gundams streaking through the sky she should have paniced getting other people's attention but she spaced out. Ah well whats done is done I guess and now things are in the shit hole.

Lastly the "original" Celestial Being we see being the "good guys" clearing the battlefield of any moving war machines only to be attached to a string to a mysterious location. With that viewpoint of mine after the Patrick comment, that is how I view the show and if there were Patrick like pilots out there then I can see Gundams losing even if they're superior like Tiger tanks vs Sherman tin cans.

edit: As for the Thrones themselves, since they're using a fake Particle thingy I can see Celestial Being use a card that the Thrones would be weak against but when that card will be used is up to the show, if its going to be used at all.

Edited by GhostlySubstance, 12 February 2008 - 08:25 AM.

[Stargazer]

Owning here and there?

what show have you been watching? I clearly remember them owning A HUGE MAJORITY of the time.

They are not trained well at all, every single military soldier would be better skilled then any of the CB members, what? you're going to say that a terrorist organization can train people better than a huge military? nah.

and Patrick is the joke character, there's no two ways about it.

[Dark Lord Revan]

I think he's confusing patrick and his worthless enact skills with graham's awesome flag fighter ownage.

Personally, GS, i have alot of difficulty understanding your post. For example....

Lastly the "original" Celestial Being we see being the "good guys" clearing the battlefield of any moving war machines only to be attached to a string to a mysterious location.

I think there is some indication that meisters are selected for previous military or similar experience by veda. halleluja is a super-soldier right? We dont noe the backgrounds of lockon or the GAY, but lockon looks like he's former military. Setusna is...meh freedom fighter. He's the one who doesnt make sense, somehow having decent knifing skills gets him mobile suit piloting skills.

[Johnny Ridden]

ONCE AGAIN!!!!! DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE DAMN NEW EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Throne Units, by now, clearly seems to be Non-CB, VEDA IS A QUANTUM COMPUTER SYSTEM, NOT A PERSON!!!!






Damn newbies, 10 posts and ur already getting everyone against you lol.


Edit:
Sry got so frustrated I forgot to actually comment on the episode.
It was quite satisfying to see the lead Throne Unit getting his arm taken off with his own Sabre. Props to Grahm.

Also, just noticed something about the opening.(I usually skip it after seeing it once but this time I actually spent the time watching through it). and unfortunately for SG, Patrick doesnt even make an appearance in it. The part where they are showing all the Ace pilots of earth's different factions, the Mercenary guy was in his red Enact, but Patrick was no where to be seen. I wonder if this has any connections to his being mostly useless.

Wait what?


Ok let me get some facts right we don't know what Veda is completely, however it seems that Veda is an AI, CB just don't think its possible Veda isn't completely on their side so they assume someone has hacked it, you can change the peramiters of an AI so it thinks differantly, its like chaning its personality, changing how it thinks ect.

Secondly

The Throne Units, by now, clearly seems to be Non-CB

They do seem to be CB,not the same branch of CB but CB non the less, they take orders from Veda, they say Veda has no infomation on them, but for all we know, Veda is keeping it from the main group, remember how Tiera was deined access to something, not to mention the thrones have a remix of the CB theme music.

They arent really terrorists. Terrorist attacks usually take place on civilians to cause fear and create a threat. CB or at least the 4 original gundams have never attacked anyone other than other militaries. Not to mention Lockon would never join a terrorist organization based on his history with terrorism.

The IRA gave warning when they would attack economic places, they attacked millitary and intelegence targets, they never caused civilian casualties intentionally, they were the closest things to good guy terrorists I know of. CB is pretty much the same, going around blowing up things belonging to legitimate governments, is terrorism.

I think there is some indication that meisters are selected for previous military or similar experience by veda. halleluja is a super-soldier right? We dont noe the backgrounds of lockon or the GAY, but lockon looks like he's former military. Setusna is...meh freedom fighter. He's the one who doesnt make sense, somehow having decent knifing skills gets him mobile suit piloting skills.

CB actualy take criminals, insane people all those sort of guys, its show in in 00F, not sure how they got the current guys, probably took them out of prisons or against their will or were scouted and asked to join, but we do need more backstory on these guys, or at least I want it.


Also I wouldn't rule patrick out yet, he pulled some impressive ariel manovers, he probably just needs some directon, and Kathy seems to have given him a good old Bright punch, so we never know.

Edited by Johnny Ridden, 12 February 2008 - 06:28 PM.

[Sykes]

The IRA gave warning when they would attack economic places, they attacked millitary and intelegence targets, they never caused civilian casualties intentionally, they were the closest things to good guy terrorists I know of. CB is pretty much the same, going around blowing up things belonging to legitimate governments, is terrorism.

So your telling me when they bombed pubs and subway stations they weren't intentionally killing civilians? CB is a lot more like a military organization rather than a terrorist group. They are essentially trying to do the same thing the three ship alliance was doing in Seed and they weren't considered terrorists.

Edited by Sykes, 12 February 2008 - 07:19 PM.

[GhostlySubstance]

Owning here and there?

what show have you been watching? I clearly remember them owning A HUGE MAJORITY of the time.

They are not trained well at all, every single military soldier would be better skilled then any of the CB members, what? you're going to say that a terrorist organization can train people better than a huge military? nah.

and Patrick is the joke character, there's no two ways about it.

Called Gundam 00, Donno if you heard of it. Its where unskilled Gundam pilots overuse their Gundams powers but lack the skill to defend themselves when attacked by high numbers
or another skillful pilot. . Huge Majority? Well they did but since they're also inexperienced Gundam pilots they got owned on two major operations always using the backdoor to escape. One by forcing the key into the door and another by being dragged out by the enemy Thrones. Stagazer please explain to me why the Flags who can slice Gundam Throne's arm off can't even make a dent in the Gundams while (correction) Graham can. Maybe because his Flag is overpowered but if they only managed to properly get into close combat with their beam weapons which they can't even do. Now whos this Patrick and why did I use his name lightly? Ah ya no wonder I ignored him, hes a weak pilot.

As for this comment (Terrorist organization can train people better than a huge military) who knows maybe they are since the military Flag users (and the others) are just getting owned to bits. Only one terrorist guy can destroy Exia though so I guess its more to do with mindset of the pilots. Maybe all the pilots are thinking the last girl they had sex with or something. Only Graham managed to make a deep enough dent while others just get tossed aside.

I used the term Tiger vs Sherman tin cans on purpose since theres still a way to kill Tiger tanks if you attack its rear end by getting close enough.

Why am I having trouble posting a simple reply post back when its a show I enjoy watching..........

Edited by GhostlySubstance, 12 February 2008 - 08:55 PM.

[Stargazer]

what terrorist guy?

If you're talking about Ali, then he's in a Para Military Group which has been supportd by the AEU.

and the only reason Graham was able to do shit was cause he got his hands on the beam saber, at the expenditure of his own body.

[Crusader]

A Few things I need to say.

Seriously now, Johnny Ridden do you have any idea what you are talking about? or did you just completely ignore the fact that the Throne units do not follow Veda at all? As for the hacker into the Veda system. the episode's panning seems to indicate that light-green-blue haired guy who follows the DB Monitor person around to be the traitor. might be an intentional throw-off but I'm not sure, that's why I said "Might be". in the Throne being non-CB case too.

They really dont seem to be. especially when people said "Doesnt the (Throne Units)'s actions destroy what CB's been trying to accomplish completely?


CB Does not attack Civilians directly, only would have them as indirect collateral, like debries and missed shots killing people and stuff. Neena attacked a completely remote civilian target with no reason whatsoever. that's not even terrorism, since the usual terrorism has a goal in mind. it's just sick.



Also, Damn Sykes that sig is sexy lol. any plans to release any wall-papers for this mod? I think it'd be a nice publicity idea. lol





Graham owned the Throne unit because he pushed his own body beyond its limits. the Human Body is only supposed to be able to take so much G-Force before starting to break down. Also, he had his own beam sabres, which would've done the same amount of damage, but he lost them. Also, it was just so much more kick-ass that he beat the crap out of the Throne unit with his own weapon.



Yes, I do want to see one of the Throne having a Niclole-type death, chances are it wont be happening soon. Their final showdown might take place in space as the opening animation suggests.

Edited by Crusader, 12 February 2008 - 09:18 PM.

[Stargazer]

Graham owned the Throne unit because he pushed his own body beyond its limits. the Human Body is only supposed to be able to take so much G-Force before starting to break down. Also, he had his own beam sabres, which would've done the same amount of damage, but he lost them. Also, it was just so much more kick-ass that he beat the crap out of the Throne unit with his own weapon.

Watch the episode next time.

He clearly dropped his progressive knife type of sabers in favor of Throne's beam saber.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Actually, the flag has these plasma sword things, according to the description in my model set. They're not beam sabers, but for all intents and cutting puposes, they're just like beam sabers. Therefore...still superior to the enact model. Anyone one piloting a gundam and has dueled a flag has always drawn his own weapon to parry, which implies that gundam armor cant stop the plasma cutter. Yeah, graham did lose his swords, which the trinity guy, whom im not going to bother to remember his name, tot that he was in the clear. I wished he crapped himself when graham grabbed his saber.

The IRA gave warning when they would attack economic places, they attacked millitary and intelegence targets, they never caused civilian casualties intentionally, they were the closest things to good guy terrorists I know of. CB is pretty much the same, going around blowing up things belonging to legitimate governments, is terrorism.

You have no fucking idea what the fuck you're talking about. I have a friend who used to live in ireland but is now here in my country because of the damn IRA. She's missing two uncles, an aunt, and would have had a cousin if that aunt was still alive. They bombed a fucking station. That had normal ordinary people in it. With ZERO military or otherwise uniformed presence. According to her as well, they almost ALWAYS target civilians, they balk at hitting the military in fear of the military coming in to deal with them in a similar way to the Bloody Sunday incident.

[Sykes]

Also, Damn Sykes that sig is sexy lol. any plans to release any wall-papers for this mod? I think it'd be a nice publicity idea. lol

Thanks, that was kinda of the plan to start, had it all laid out with Yamada and Malik but I wasn't liking how it was turning out so I just made a sig out of it.

He clearly dropped his progressive knife type of sabers in favor of Throne's beam saber.

Yeah, have to agree, he dropped them.

[Crusader]

Ur right, he did drop them. Guess I just got mixed up, been watching a few different series lately and I think that happened in one of the other animes I was watching, just got a bit ixed up lol.
Still, I dunno, I think it would've done just as much damage. but as I've saie earlier, it adds more to the kickass-ness that he slashed the Throne unit up with his own blade.


If we've learned anything from seed, any armor type that can withstand the most powerful projectile attack still cant block any energy based CC weapon, See Akatsuki.

Edited by Crusader, 13 February 2008 - 01:18 AM.