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[Dark Lord Revan]

On par? Id actually say they're better than exia and setsuna. So far the only reason exia has won or escaped graham or the colonel guy is that exia is just better than their mobile suits. They are far more skilled than setsuna. But i disagree about patrick. He's clearly a stooge of the show. Those who boast and shout like that are never really skilled, they're really just noobs (ppl who claim to be pro, noes all the tricks but never executes them properly)

[Stargazer]

Patrick is an ace, and it's not just him saying other, other people have said it, his mock battle record should be proof enough.

it's just a terrible show with terrible characters and a terrible plot.

I put this UNDER destiny.

Destiny atleast had enjoyable battles, like battle of orb and shit.

[Crusader]

well that was further into the series, Orb that is, so I'll wait it out. when you think about it the first few Seed battles were pretty boring too.


I agree with Revan here though, Patric seems to be one of the typical people who are way too confident in themselfs. but, as a show of his skills he was able to evade most of that beam attack and survive it unlike the rest of that entire squadron. Setsuna is probably gonna start getting his ass kicked because he is easily the least devoted to his work in CB. everyone else at least has some goal in their work.

Dynames's upgrade basically now ensures that it can stay in the middle of a battle for longer periods of time, in the middle of the battle. because as we've seen before, for the most part it stays in the back providing long range support since it probably wont be able to hold too long in close combat.

Exia's a beast in CC, but it's also very fast, it just didnt show him being shot at and that he just got into close combat as soon as he could knowing his weakness. along with this, the soldiers were shooting at him, those weapons were mostly missing, and if you got that close to him that shooting is completely ineffective wouldnt you try to engage him im cloce combat?
It's not like these people trained to fight against Gundams unlike the Union's special squadron. they're jsut soldiers taaught how to fight against other soldiers.



That and if anyone plays any recent FPS games you should know that when you're that close close combat beats guns since it's alot harder to aim ar close ranges. you end up missing while the enemy runs around you and stabs you. God I love CoD4 lol.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Ok. Now that i can spout soilers without recourse, i can tackle this properly. Regarding the patrick fool. Im going to ignore the fact that virtue's weapons are fairly obvious to anticipate and avoid, and just say, that what i mean by 'noob', so to speak. Hes familiar with the range of skills needed for an ace, thats how he's done so well in simulated combat. But its like playing counter-strike, then actually going out to shoot people for real. You reflexes and sense is similar, but there's a difference in what i call 'reality factor'. Im not sure if that makes sense to you guys...

The whole cheography for dynames is shit. I could forgive it before because of the slick animations, but dyname's scene was badly done. Funny, they stop shooting dynames when it takes out a gun to shoot. Why not aim at the exposed area? After dynames started dual targeting, the grunts seemed to have forgotten how to shoot entirely...not sure if anyone else noticed that.

Aeu's Ms are copies of the Union's flag. That means they're of a high-maneuverability type. The way soldiers are taught, in my experience, melee combat is a last resort. Keep distance from the enemy at all costs, unless you gain an advantage in melee combat. So why is it looks more like AEU suits actually closed in to fight exia? They should be able to keep some distance at least, but they're not even trying. They're not carrying guns cuse they've tossed them aside to use knives. Unless you're suggesting exia somehow shot all the guns out of their hands. There are problems with Exia it self too. Im wondering why it had to switch to sabers. If sabers are faster and more deadly...why does it have GN blades? Maybe the GN blades dont use as much energy...but then it already has a built in GN blade. Why two more. Exia isnt using the built in one. Also, since there are actually two sabers, and exia still has them out, im questioning the power saving merits. Certainly dynames and virtue use much more energy than that, and as standard armament. The variety of melee weapons exia carries is incomprehensible.

Btw, the reduction of effectiveness ranged weapons in closecombat is not always true. I live in singapore, so i have to serve 2 years in the army starting next year. National service. So i already went through some trial training using paintball equipment as well as real unloaded rifles. Its convenient for games to portray it that way...but everyone could shoot each other just fine in close range. Its just the close sense of the enemy that fouls up your concetration to aim. Most men prefer to lash out at that point. Only if the weapon is quite long that close range aiming is difficult. It is not a problem with a short rifle or a handgun.

Im not sure why i was so optimistic before. But i think if i can come up with so many problems only 6 eps in, there's something wrong with this show...

Edited by Dark Lord Revan, 13 November 2007 - 07:55 PM.

[Sykes]

I still think you guys are jumping the gun a little. This series is not 25 ep, its a 50 episode series split into two parts like code geass.

I will agree with you about Dynames. He was just standing there in middle of the enemy troops and just talking hits without any tactics whatsoever. But some of the things you guys are mentioning are just nitpicky.

I mean if you really want to get technical and base things on real life accounts having gundam use beam sabers would be almost pointless. I mean how many times do you think real soldiers actually use their knives in combat. You sure dont see any modern day soldiers walking around with swords anymore, and there is a good reason for that. Because nobody is going to bring a sword to a gunfight, its just stupid.

Now the one thing I will say is that they need to stop jumping around and focus more on one event at a time. At this rate were only getting bits and pieces of each character and not much has been developed.

So im at least going to give it the benefit of the doubt for now. Still plenty of time to turn around.

Oh, and Patrick definitely comes of as the stooge of the show. Graham and Ali are more of your ace pilots in my opinion.

Edited by Sykes, 13 November 2007 - 09:09 PM.

[Dark Lord Revan]

I suppose it may have something to do with recently finishing watching all 3 seasons of full metal panic. Something just feels lacking.

I agree on the real life accounts thing, except that for gundam and other mecha shows, we should see that battle tactics have changed again. Today fighter jets attack at the range of kilometers, but maybe i theorize they dont do that anymore because of the range and need for homing weapons. Its possible that heat and rader systems can be fouled up at the missle level, and with mobile suits its much easier to avoid a missle that you see coming a long way off. So perhaps that kind of combat is outmoded, closer range is favored now to offset a MS's avoidance advantage, to reduce the possible reaction time. Its quite understandable actually. What may be modern combat now need not be so in the future...

You noe i love being nitpicky. Im just finding quite alot of things to be nitpicky about. Having FMA's director isnt helping i guess, its raising my expectations of the show. Also, i noe its 50 eps, but to take a break after 25, there must be some sort of semi-series conclusion at the end of 25. Im just hoping they dont have to rush plot development when we get close to that number, otherwise we're going to get the same rushed story style as destiny.

[Infinity238]

To be completly fair to the gundams, the grunts in this series are severly under developed. But dont write this show off yet SG, is it just me or does it look like exia might loose in the next episode. The title: "Gundams worth is Questioned" sounds like something bad might go down.

[Stargazer]

he better.

still, I demand that AEU's Ace, Patrick Corlasawar take down a gundam.

It will regain every bit of faith lost from the FMA Director.

Edited by Stargazer, 14 November 2007 - 11:02 AM.

[Infinity238]

But Ace Patrick is a joke, hes your tipical acadamy hot shot who has almost no real combat experiance. His biggest problem is hes so full of himself that he never takes his fights seriously.

[Stargazer]

He's the best character, by far.

all World Wars will end in real life if the FMA Director gets Patrick to take down a Gundam.

poverty and hunger will dissapear, the world would become perfect if he'd win.

[TeaMaster]

ah but how long will that last?

[Stargazer]

ah but how long will that last?

Forever and ever cause Patrick is the bestest in the world.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Right now im wondering if your having us on, or you really believe that Corlasawar is a real ace -_-'

It strikes me that graham speaks very sarcastically of 'AEU's Ace'.

Speaking of which...best character is graham acre. By a bloody long shot. Thats imo anyway.

[Stargazer]

Right now im wondering if your having us on, or you really believe that Corlasawar is a real ace -_-'

I would go gay for Patrick Corlasawar.

that's how much I believe that he is truely the best.

[Crusader]

You know SG, for such big Patric supporter your Sig sure doesnt reflext it too well.

[TeaMaster]

So true... So true...

Besides, it seems that Patrick has no actual battle experience.... in fact everyone in MS doesn't seem to know what the heck they're doing.... its like:

OMG!! IT'S A GUNDAM *brain turns off rational thinking & hits the panic button

butts are handed back to their respective owners

[Crusader]

Hmm new episode was pretty good, this is starting to get interesting............

[TeaMaster]

i'm starting to hate Virtue's pilot

[CorSec]

well hopefully a decent irony is gonna strike Tieria and it turns out that he is the one who gets shot in the back...i can only hope

[Stargazer]

where the fuck was that sextastic Patrick Corlasawar?!