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[Vortigern]

The only problem with hunting chavs is that they're not as fast as foxes, it takes out half the fun.

[Rawlo]

that adds a whole new level to the term 'firing squad'... lol

[Kazyumi]

Capital punishment for the really sickening crimes (human trafficking/slavery, rape, child abuse, murder).
I wish there were more vigilantes...

[CIL]

Rape-
Slavery and whipping for 2 hours

Murder-
Slavery and whipping for 2 hours

Manslaughter-
20 years in jail

Robbery-
5 years of jail, possession of property(ies) for 5 months (you get to spend these on the street)

Assult-
1 year in jail and being whipped for 2 hours non-stop

[Vortigern]

I'm confused. Why does hitting someone with your car by accident get you 20 times as long as deliberately kicking the shit out of someone? Your logic is faulty, sir. I'd also like to point out that robbery technically must involve assault or it's just theft, unless it's breaking and entering, but that involves a house and, wait for it... someone to break and enter it.

Anyway, I have my own preferred totalitarian methods of crime prevention, or at least punishment.

Rape - castration and minimum 5 year prison sentence.
Murder - if committed in cold blood, death. If a crime of passion or something, life imprisonment, parole after 10-20 years. It depends on the person.
Assault - prison time variable for severity.
Aggravated assault - 3 years minimum on a prison hulk, in with all the killers and ball-less rapists.
Theft - repayment of property stolen and minor prison time. In cases of robbery the charge will be theft and assault, so the punishment may increase.
Manslaughter - if honestly accidental, no punishment. If "accidental", murder charges will be levied instead.
Drug trafficking - only applies to cocaine and heroine. Hopefully, I've already gone and legalised everything else. Anyway, if anyone dies because of the product, it counts as cold-blooded murder. That includes overdosing. Otherwise 20 years minimum for big-time dealing, 10 years max for small-time. By small time I mean selling to your friends on nights out, that sort of thing. Still very much illegal, but not quite as bad.

That's pretty much what the most serious crimes boil down to. Oh, and while in prison, the inmates will be doing mundane, boring shit that nobody else wants to be paid minimum wage for, except that they don't even get that. Prison is a source of free labour.

[Mathijs]

Why does it only apply to cocaine and heroine?

[CIL]

I'm confused. Why does hitting someone with your car by accident get you 20 times as long as deliberately kicking the shit out of someone? Your logic is faulty, sir. I'd also like to point out that robbery technically must involve assault or it's just theft, unless it's breaking and entering, but that involves a house and, wait for it... someone to break and enter it.

Yes, but it was a preventable crime. And there's also the fact that you get a 2 hour long whipping if you beat the shit out of someone.

[Vortigern]

Matias: It only applies to cocaine and heroin because those are the only drugs I would not legalise. They're both highly addictive and cocaine turns you into a right dick most of the time, and heroin is the most common recreational drug that people die of. On the other hand, in the interests of liberalism, I may well extend to legalising heroin, or at least other forms of opiate. Seeing as the effects of heroin do not include punching other people, I guess it's really up to the people. Cocaine, though, causes too much trouble and is staying thoroughly illegal.

CIL: I don't see accidentally running someone over even as a crime at all. It's an accident. There's not always someone to blame.

[Copaman]

I would throw my .02 in here, but it seems Vortigern already has...

[Ash]

OK I'll take Vort's list:

Rape - castration (Like this, Vort - I think I'll adopt it to my own legal system) and minimum 20 year sentence
Murder - Death, unless it was done in self-defence, defence of own property or loved ones, in which case, acquittal. Therefore, a burglar coming into your home deserves any sort of fucking-up he gets.
Assault (or any more severe variant) - 1 year, minimum custodial sentence. Maximum of 20, depending on seriousness. Fuck parole or good behaviour - you get out when your time's up.
Theft - Repayment of property, public humiliation for a time deemed reasonable with a minimum of a week - fed by registered officials and the good charity of anyone walking past, kept warm by their clothes (Medieval stocks might be medieval, but so are bows and arrows but you wouldn't scoff at a good archer aiming at you, would you?), community service + tagging. In that order - none of this optional adjustment of punishment bullshit.
Manslaughter - if honestly accidental, no punishment. If negligent, death.
Drug trafficking - feet cut off. Drugs are legal. Drug trafficking is not.
People trafficking - arms cut off. Nobody's giving people a 'hand' to get illegally into my country and being allowed to leave with their hand.
Pimping - see rape.

Also, remove the not-guilty-by-reason-of-insanity plea. If you killed someone, you're a murderer, regardless of your mental capacity. You might be mad, but you're also bad, so you get killed. End of.

Prisoners will either be doing mundane labour as Vort suggests, or will be on exercise bikes hooked up to generators for the duration of their stay, working shifts. Nobody gets a free fucking meal.

Death penalty will be an Unreal Tournament-style spectator sport. We put them all in a sealed windowless maze building filled with thousands of hidden wireless cameras, give them all guns and knives, and let them fight to the death, under the erroneous belief that the last one standing may walk free. No - he simply gets through to the 'next round' where he must fight the next bunch of inmates on death row. Nobody escapes The Arena.

You think I'm kidding - this is how I'd do things. Everyone gives something back to the community.

[Tom]

LOL I find this topic hillarous but I thought I'd join. As a Humanist Libertarian I guess I'm going to different radically from all you nutjobs

I also believe most prisoners should be put to work inside prison to help pay towards their own imprisonment, why should tax payers pay 100% for them? I also believe petty crimes people should be forced to do some kind of public service or national service (army tends to sort people out). It doesn't mean sending them away to war, no government has the right to make that decision unless its for self defense and actually protecting the country.

Rape - Minimum 20 year sentence to Life depending on how depriving the act was.

Murder - Life Sentence but I am anti-death sentence because it is possible to execute innocent human beings. Plus an eye for an eye only leave the world blind (as Gandhi said). We should make these people live imprisoned for their crimes not kill them and let them get off (unless its 100% guaranteed it is them and they are too much money to keep alive). The other alternative is they might just top themselves in jail.

Assault - Depends how bad it is but I am up for imprisonment - 1 year, minimum sentence or forced national service for a year or two.

Theft - Repayment of property, 1 year minimum sentence or forced national service.

Manslaughter - if accidental then minimum sentence, if negligent then it should be treated similar to murder but without intent

I am for legalising all drugs as it undercuts the black market and stops drugs becoming the business of criminals so in reference to this:
Unlawful Drug trafficking - 20 years jail

People trafficking - 20 years jail depending on what happened to the people (some end up in slavery) as well as breaking national law.

I'm also up for legalising prositution to undercut criminal prostitution rackets like pimping so hopefully there would be none as women or men could go to correct places of business to provide services in secure and healthy environments. (See Nevada to prove this actually works)

Pimping - Pimping is essentially slavery so if it does occur after major liberalisation of these offenses from the black market then this should be treated similar to people trafficking or slavery. 20 years in jail.

[Caspa]

Have I ever mentioned my punishment thoughts before?

[Elvenlord]

Probably, but why don't you go ahead and tell us again.

[Ash]

Oh, as well as 'parole' and 'good behaviour' being retarded concepts I think life = life. You go in and don't come out until you die. End of discussion. None of this '22-years' bullshit. If you get a life sentence at 18, bad luck. You don't get out at 40, you get out when you're in a box, buried.

Also, no human rights for convicts. You get a toilet, a bed, basic food, a communal shower, clothing, books and a chess set. That's it. Work is your leisure time (or being on the exercise bike for 8 hours a day). No football, no TV or any of the modern comforts they get. Punishment should be punishing. They don't get to bunk with their friends. Visiting time and letter-writing only on Sunday. Guards armed with cattleprods. Anyone shirking gets 500v up the ass. Prison would, and should, be the closest humankind could imagine as Hell.

[Puppeteer]

I see you prefer Revenge over Rehabilitation...

[Ash]

Rehabilitation is almost Church of England in its level of bollocksness. Oh yes, let's forgive this guy and allocate more money and resources at him than to the average law-abiding person who is doing worse, and let's reward him for behaviour that he should have been exihibiting anyway (yeah, cash incentives for NOT robbing that ordinary people who don't rob don't get. That's fucking fair) .

[Puppeteer]

When I said 'Rehabilitation', I didn't mean that the current system was peach & dandy. There's no 'Rehabilitating' about it, at the moment it unfortunately is mainly 'Rewarding'.

[Ash]

If an individual commits a crime, and then suffers as a result, that will provide the negative punishment necessary to be a deterrent. Prisoners forfeit their right to be considered normal members of society until they have finished their term.

[Vortigern]

Ash, I'm with you on every part of what you've said, including the death penalty tournaments. I actually have several ideas lined up for various death sports; I've been considering this for a while. Actually, one thing: I would never give someone life imprisonment unless there was clearly no chance of redemption, like, if they'd killed fifteen young girls just for the hell of it. I would say '25 years to life' or similar, so if they don't improve you can keep them there for as long as necessary, but if they've honestly atoned for their mistakes and are ready to make a clean break after wasting so much of their life, then fair play, give them a chance. Oh, and tagging is mandatory for all those released from prison, for as long again as the sentence was. And the tags will be implanted rather than worn as bracelets, so removing them would be kinda like Saw. That should put them off.

[Puppeteer]

Actually, one thing: I would never give someone life imprisonment unless there was clearly no chance of redemption, like, if they'd killed fifteen young girls just for the hell of it. I would say '25 years to life' or similar, so if they don't improve you can keep them there for as long as necessary, but if they've honestly atoned for their mistakes and are ready to make a clean break after wasting so much of their life, then fair play, give them a chance.

Rehabilitation