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[{IRS}Athos]

I was thinking that since there are so many heroes for each faction and not enough room for them... and then I realized that none of the inn factions have any heroes. So, the minor heroes (i.e. Gondor: Beregond, Madril, Hurin of the Tower Guard) would be in the inn factions, allowing for more versatility in the feature. I've taken the time to compose this small list...

INN HEROES

GONDOR

Madril- Cost: 800
Description: Recruit the ranger captain of Ithilien and Faramir's right-hand man.
Lv. 1- Faramir's Aide (Faramir and Madril gain 10% armor when near each other. Passive.)
Lv. 2- Ranger Captain (+10% damage, attack speed, and vision to nearby rangers. Passive.)
Lv. 4- Deadly Shot (High-damage ranged attack.)
Lv. 7- Call for a Volley (wide-range Arrow Volley power, only within vision range, sets area on fire)

Beregond- Cost: 1000
Description: Recruit the Citadel Guard and Captain of the White Company. OR Recruit Pippin's friend and a loyal Citadel Guard.
Lv. 1- Captain of Gondor (10% armor and damage to nearby troops.)
Lv. 3- Blademaster
Lv. 4- War Cry (Horn of Gondor with smaller range)
Lv. 7- Call to Arms (Summons several battalions of Citadel Guards.)

Hurin- Cost: 1200
Description: Recruit the Tower Guard Warden of the Keys.
Lv. 1- Shield of Gondor (25+% armor to all surrounding allies.)
Lv. 3- Strong Spear (All of Hurin's attacks gain meta impact. Passive.)
Lv. 5- Battle Wrath (Blademaster)
Lv. 6- For Gondor! (Nearby infantry take only 20% of normal damage for a short time.)

SOUTHERN FIEFDOMS
Imrahil
Description: Recruit the Prince of Dol Amroth.
KEEP CURRENT POWERS

Duinhir- Cost: 1200
Description: Recruit the Lord of the Morthond Vale.
Lv. 1- Lord of Morthond (+10% armor and +25% firing rate to nearby archers.)
Lv. 4- Monster Bane (Powerful ranged attack: 500 damage to enemy hero/unit, 1000 damage to enemy monster)
Lv. 7- Call of Blackroot Vale (Summons several battalions of Morthond Bowmen.)
Lv. 9- Rain of Arrows (Duinhir and surrounding archers fill a large area with arrows for a long duration.)

Forlong- Cost: 1500
Description: Recruit the fat Lord of Lossarnach.
Lv. 1- Mount/Dismount
Lv. 2- Lord of Lossarnach (+25% armor and damage to nearby troops. Passive.)
Lv. 3- Steel Lance (Crippling strike, but usable only when mounted.)
Lv. 6- Roads of Lossarnach (Surrounding troops gain 25% move speed. Passive.)
Lv. 7- Call the Axemen (Permanently summons five battalions of Lossarnach Axemen.)

Angbor- Cost: 1200
Description: Recruit the fearless Lord of Lamedon.
Lv. 1- Fearless (Angbor and surrounding units gain +10% armor and are immune to debuffs. Passive.)
Lv. 3- Valor of Lamedon (Blademaster)
Lv. 6- Invulnerability (Angbor becomes invulnerable for 20 sec.)

Hirluin- Cost: 1000
Description: Recruit Hirluin the Fair, the gallant captain of the Green Hills.
Lv. 1- Toggle Weapon
Lv. 2- *Passive Stealth*
Lv. 4- Green Arrow (The same as Faramir's Wounding Arrow)
Lv. 8- Men of the Green Hills (Summons Hirluin's escort of gallant green-clad men)

Golasgil- Cost: 1500
Description: Recruit the doughty knight of Anfalas.
Lv. 2- Crippling Strike
Lv. 4- Mount/Dismount
Lv. 7- Chivalry (Surrounding allies gain 40% armor, enemies lose 20%. Passive.)
Lv. 9- Armory of Anfalas (Fully upgrades selected battalion of Household Knights.)

Dervorin
Description: Recruit the leader of the men of Ringlo Vale.
Lv. 3- Man-at-Arms (Dervorin gains +10% armor and damage. Passive.)
Lv. 5- Forced March (Dervorin and surrounding allies gain +50% speed for a short time.)
Lv. 8- Host of Ringlo Vale (Permanently summon 6 battalions of the Men of Ringlo Vale)

ROHAN

Theodred- Cost: 1500
Description: Recruit the Second Marshal of the Mark and son of Theoden.
Lv. 1- Mount/Dismount
Lv. 1- Son of Theoden (Theodred and Theoden gain 25% armor when near each other.)
Lv. 2- Second Marshal of the Mark (+10% armor and damage to nearby cavalry)
Lv. 8- Crushing Charge (Theodred and surrounding cavalry lose 50% crush deceleration and become immune to damage for 15 sec.)
Lv. 10- Glorious Fall (When Theodred's health falls below 10%, he becomes invulnerable for 30 sec.)

Elfhelm- Cost: 800
Description: Recruit the commander of the Eored.
Lv. 1- Mount/Dismount
Lv. 3- Ride Light and Swift (+10% move speed and -10% crush deceleration to nearby cavalry.)
Lv. 6- Call the Eored (Summons four battalions of Rohan Cavalry for a long duration.)

Grimbold- Cost: 800
Description: Recruit the Captain from the Westfold.
Lv. 1- Mount/Dismount
Lv. 2- Horn of the Westfold (Permanently summons two Yeoman Heralds.)
Lv. 5- Blade of Rohan (Crippling Strike)
Lv. 6- Shield Wall (Summons four battalions of Westfold troops in a shield-wall.)

Elves: Rumil, Orophin, Elladan, Elrohir
Dwarves: Borin (yes, move him to the inn! ), Balin, Ori, Oin

Mordor: Shagrat, Gorbag, Grishnakh
Isengard: Mauhur, Ugluk
Goblins: ???
MotE: ???

As always, I'd love to know if this idea is possible or just wishful thinking, and how you like it.

Regards, IRS

EDIT1: Added Shagrat, Gorbag, and Grishnakh to Mordor per Saruman's... er, Shikari's orders.
EDIT2: Added Elladan and Elrohir to Elves because I saw they were going to be campaign-only in the news update...
EDIT3: Added the poll to the topic.
EDIT4: Added Gondor and Rohan hero powers. Added descriptions of Southern Fiefdoms heroes.
EDIT5: Added powers for the popular Duinhir.
EDIT6: Increased Theodred's cost, added a "Son of Theoden" power, and decided that Beregond maybe wasn't a captain in the Guard after all...
EDIT7: Added Beregond's alternate recruit description.
EDIT8: Added Theodred's "Glorious Fall," moved "Shield Wall" to Grimbold.
EDIT9: Added powers for Forlong and Angbor.
EDIT10: Removed the poll, and made several unsuccessful attempts to fix a new one.
EDIT11: Managed to make the new poll work!!!
EDIT12: Put in the rest of the Southern Fiefdom hero powers. *Finally.*

Edited by ithilienranger732, 01 June 2009 - 05:59 PM.

[Shikari]

That's a good list, well researched and something close to how we plan on moving the heroes. We really need to look carefully at the inn system and what we want to do with it in the future but we do plan on having heroes for levels 5 and 6.

If I may add a few,

Mordor- Shagrat, Gorbag and Grishnak

[Scryer]

I know that I disagreed with having the heroes that you listed for Gondor as structure/actual heroes for them... But I definitely like them better as Inn Heroes only. With Madril being the one structure hero available to Gondor.

For the Southern Fiefdoms, maybe we can cut it down? I mean I doubt that a player will be able to churn out all of the Southern Fiefdoms in a standard skirmish match considering that the player would also need to take care of the faction that they are currently playing... A good number would be 3 heroes.* And for the Southern Fiefdom mini faction, I kind of really want to see Prince Imrahil moved to there as well because at the moment I personally think that he's kind of out of place with the rest of the Gondor faction, considering that you don't have access to other Southern Fiefdom units without an Inn . But like I said, this is just my opinion.

Perhaps you would like to give a list of powers/functions for the heroes that you suggested for the Southern Fiefdoms Inn faction?

For the Dwarves, I think that there are two CAH heroes (that haven't been reskinned or whatever) that could be moved there? And I'm also thinking that it would be nice if Prince Bard or King Brand could also show up there as well...

For the Elves, I'd like to see a hero from the three sub factions included.. Like I'm thinking either Arwen/Glorfindel for Rivendell; Haldir for Lothlorien; and someone from Mirkwood .


*Changed me mind.

Edited by Scryer, 23 January 2009 - 05:51 AM.

[{IRS}Athos]

Of course... I was waiting on powers until someone encouraged me, but you can't get much higher than Shikari's... thanks!

I'll edit the first post as I get things done, but feel free to criticize (so long as it's constructive... )

Regards, IRS

[Berethin]

Good thinking, ithilien!

Yeah, its kinda hard to find good heroes for Isenguard and the like, simply because they didn't really have many heroes. The only thing I could think of would be to demote Ugluk to the inn for Isenguard, and demote Azog to the inn for the goblins. Otherwise, I think their hero barrels have been pretty much scraped clean.

[Scryer]

Berethin, I think that we can get away with having standard heroes for factions also appear in the Inn system because with the Inn you can't purchase an allegiance with the faction that you're playing . So no demoting please. Just copy+paste so long as it would make sense.

And I change my mind about Prince Imrahil..

[shadowfoxt]

Of course... I was waiting on powers until someone encouraged me, but you can't get much higher than Shikari's... thanks!

I'll edit the first post as I get things done, but feel free to criticize (so long as it's constructive... )

Regards, IRS

I like this

[Hasfusel]

You could move the generic CAHs to the Inn (Berethor, Krashnak, Morwen, etc.) Or something like that.
I agree with Imrahil becoming the top Southern Fiefdoms Inn hero very strongly. It makes no sense otherwise.

[Devon]

Just for the record, you can get Knights of Dol Amroth from the stables...


Pretty good overall, solves a lot of problems with those not quite hero units Goblins have way too many heroes imo, those two troll heroes need to leave.

[{IRS}Athos]

If nobody objects, I'd like to start a poll on which Southern Fiefdoms heroes should be kept. There will be a max of... say, 4 inn heroes per faction. Let the voting... BEGIN! I nulled my vote, so I can see what you all think. Please pick at least two...

Also, since everyone thinks that Imrahil should go with the Fiefdoms, what if he was replaced in Gondor by Denethor?

Edited by ithilienranger732, 23 January 2009 - 03:47 PM.

[Scryer]

Denethor wouldn`t make a good hero in my opinion. He was not exactly in any of the major battles of the War of the Ring (in the fighting, that is). If the team wants to reflect his presence in the War of the Ring era, I think that they should show him in the campaigns.

[{IRS}Athos]

Looks like Duinhir is in the lead so far... I might get started on his powers sometime soon.

[mike_]

Imrahil for anti-hero and -monster, Forlong and Angbor for leadership, Duirhin for archer.

Done.

[Devon]

Imrahil is staying in Gondor

[mike_]

Rob?

[Berethin]

Just a quick question: will the factions have access to their own inn heroes? And, if so, how? I think it would make sense if they could.

I agree that Imrahil should stay with Gondor, actually, considering that they have access to the KoDA.

As for the Southern Fiefdom heroes, as long as they have Forlong the Fat, I'm happy.

[{IP} Aridor]

Imrahil really needs to stay in Gondor proper. He was very very important to the defence of the city. Since Gondor really is just the Men of Minas Tirith and the game is set during the WoTR then he should be there. He did more for the Capital then for his own City. He went with the Armies to the Black gate and was put in charge of the city after the battle while Faramir was recovering.

[{IRS}Athos]

Since Duinhir is winning the poll, I made powers for him. I would love some commentary on this...

[Hasfusel]

Hmm... Okay, but I still would rather have KODA only available from the Inn. Otherwise, it sort of removes individuality.

[{IRS}Athos]

I forgot to mention that I added all of the Rohan hero powers. Feedback on them is always nice...