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[Dark Lord Revan]

Baby bros have a way of....like, psychically affecting things.

I think bonta-kun requires 5 playthrus or something.

Kurtz is good if you're doing it with arm slaves and have low tension, low tension rate. But after upgrades mao is better. Better range and better melee than arbalest, no tension unlock but other than that the superior arm slave.

Either way, kurtz doesnt do so well once other characters upgrade to full tension rates.

Hm.....ACE is expensive no matter where you get it from, because the original sale price is already high. Made-for-fans games are like that.

A gd bro at my local retailer got it for me for US$80.


Watching the 00 movie today, its being screened here for awhile. Hopefully it will be.....

[KiraYamatoFreedom]

Thing is the controller looks perfectly fine, maybe he got drool in it.

Yeah I figured as much, better save up my money.

Also do you know where I can find mp3 files of the 00 movie music if its out?

[Re4_wesker]

if any of you manage to find the 00 movie online please let me know. I haven't been able to find it yet.

Also one of the things that i like about ACE R is that Nineball Seraph from the original Armored Core games makes an appearance.

Edited by Re4_wesker, 25 September 2010 - 03:38 AM.

[Dark Lord Revan]

KEKEKEKE....who wants to watch bootleg versions when the real one is epic on epic....

Ahem....well not to say it was a perfect movie. It splits action and non-action pretty well, but in action scenes, its mindblowingly full of action, to the point where my eyes almost strained. The tv version is nothing compared to this. And the story is interesting, but not mindbreakingly original. But it was unapologetic about flaunting the the characteristics of the tv series. It was sort of boasting those traits really. And on top of that it had a hell lot more humor. ALOT. And its GOOD.

It also had an.....interesting opening 5 mins. I feel that that segment is aimed at people like say....you, SG

Below is more comments. No spoilers, but they spoil the feel of the movie so....

Spoiler

Not all questions that were raised in the trailers are answered, although i feel alot of it is similar to the code geass end...how it all turned out is how you would personally interpret it.

The actual ending is more final, but the immediate end before the credits roll is quite a lolwut moment. The part after the credits gives a pretty good end. As many people have noted online...the movie is very final. There will be no more chance of sequel here than there is in say...gundam wing EW, for comparison. Even less in fact.

Interesting notes on design...raphael indeed does have a secret mode, and done in such a way that you wont likely expect. Harute also does have a secret mode, as the trailer showed us with the red eyes. Wont say much about it, but H/Allelujah has never looked more awesome.

Interestingly, the federation seems to be incorporating design elements from 00 raiser into their mobile suits. There isnt a reason for this given, but the design similarity is quite obvious.

Somewhat in a humorous fashion, there is a sort of homage in one scene to gundam seed's freedom gundam in the movie.

[Stargazer]

I read the summary of the plot, sounds craptacular.

What can be expected from 00 though?

[Dark Lord Revan]

The plot isnt fantastic, but its ok. The movie is good because its taking stuff thats good about the series and expanding on those, not because it has a good story.

Either way, the japs love it. So what are we to say about it....might as well enjoy it as a thrill ride, not the moving epic.

[Re4_wesker]

ya i read the plot and its nothing amazing. however, i'd still like to see the movie to see how good it is visually.

[KiraYamatoFreedom]

^Same here.

Is it going to be shown in different theaters throughout the country for a night or two or only at one place?

Edited by KiraYamatoFreedom, 26 September 2010 - 06:23 PM.

[Stargazer]

The plot isnt fantastic, but its ok. The movie is good because its taking stuff thats good about the series and expanding on those, not because it has a good story.

Either way, the japs love it. So what are we to say about it....might as well enjoy it as a thrill ride, not the moving epic.

Thrill Ride has to assault more then just your eyes and ears, it has to engage your mind and your heart, 00 fails at all levels. It is utterly pretentious and all style with very little substance.

The first episode of Unicorn has already trumped the entire AD Universe.

It can have as many pretty explosions as they can put into it, but if the substance isn't up to snuff, then there's no point. South Park mocking Michael Bay is apt to this situation, "Alot of explosions and special effects isn't a story".

00 is to good anime like Macross Plus and Gundam Unicorn what Bayformers is to excellent sci-fi movies like Moon: Absolute trash.

[Dark Lord Revan]

All this before you watched the movie....reading from a summary? What i meant by improving what its good at means its presentation has improved.

That doesnt mean it has taken out all the action and special effects. If it did, it would be a downgrade.

Unicorn does not have a fantastic plot, but the presentation is good. Unicorn favors realism and attention to individual character.

It is hardly exciting compared to previous shows. But thats ok, because its not meant to be.

00 is meant to be visually attractive and exciting, and the movie delivers that while making the whole thing more substantial. In fact, as i said, the first scene in the movie feels to me like it was a message from the studio about those very concerns you have.

Why compare two shows that are from the same franchise, but are out to do different things?

[Re4_wesker]

Unicorn does not have a fantastic plot, but the presentation is good. Unicorn favors realism and attention to individual character.

That's a matter of opinion. I personally really like the plot.

It is hardly exciting compared to previous shows. But thats ok, because its not meant to be.

Really? I find Unicorn very exciting. Heck 00 was too predictable which was very unfortunate. I'm referring to the series though and not the movie due to the fact i still need to see it.

Also on the subject of Gundam i started watching after war gundam x.

Edited by Re4_wesker, 29 September 2010 - 03:31 AM.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Its my opinion, but unicorn isnt original. Put it this way. Boy meets a girl who's a noble/royalty, gets thrown in the middle of a fight, meets this guy who gives him an 'ultimate power' and is actually his dad.

Its the presentation thats ace. Thats why unicorn is good. There's ultimately nothing wrong with having an unoriginal plot anyway, as long as you have something else to show for it, as unicorn does. So does 00, but i seem to be the only one who thinks that.

And i'll drop talking about 00. That series started off some flame wars before, and i see no point in trying to champion something when most of us dont even pay to watch it anyway. So its not a matter of support.

[Re4_wesker]

Its my opinion, but unicorn isnt original. Put it this way. Boy meets a girl who's a noble/royalty, gets thrown in the middle of a fight, meets this guy who gives him an 'ultimate power' and is actually his dad.

That's only part 1 of 6. Plus there was a lot of stuff going on aside from that in part 1. I do understand what you're saying though it's just there's more to it then just that.

Its the presentation thats ace. Thats why unicorn is good. There's ultimately nothing wrong with having an unoriginal plot anyway, as long as you have something else to show for it, as unicorn does. So does 00, but i seem to be the only one who thinks that.

Not all of 00 was bad. I actually really enjoyed season 1. My issue is with season 2 specifically and i'm still undecided with the movie.

And i'll drop talking about 00. That series started off some flame wars before, and i see no point in trying to champion something when most of us dont even pay to watch it anyway. So its not a matter of support.

I'm more then willing to discuss it and avoid it turning into a flamewar like last time. That's just me though.

Edited by Re4_wesker, 29 September 2010 - 09:29 PM.

[KiraYamatoFreedom]

I have been wondering, why do most people not like season 2 of 00? I thought it was pretty good and loved the new things in it.

Unicorn is pretty good, I can't wait to see how it all turns out.

[Re4_wesker]

From what i've gathered a lot of people like season 2 of 00. I'll try to boil why i don't like to a few points.

-Predictability: The plot was too predictable. I predicted many events in the story before they even happened. For example, Nena's apparent death at the hands of Louise, Anew being an innovator spy although that one was sort of obvious and not to mention how predictable the fights started to get. In season 1 i found many of the fights could have ended with CB being defeated. Heck there were a few where they were defeated in season 1.

-Overrated villains: Honestly, most of the villains in the series were all talk and no action. Ribbons pretty much sat back for the entire season acting all high and mighty yet when he finally gets up and fights he's outright defeated by Setsuna. Nena did pretty much nothing combat wise until near the end and even then she was dropped by a vengeance driven Louise. Graham Aker/Mr. Bushido however was the most overrated unfortunately. There was so much buildup created for his new mobile suit and when he finally shows up he's only in 2 fights. One that introduces his new suit and another where he is dropped by Setsuna and the 00 takes pretty much no damage. Ali Al was the only villain that was atleast kind of good in this season.

There were a few other things. Like for example Marina Ismail had pretty much no impact on the plot of season 2. She was pretty much useless. Hallejuhah was left out of season 2 until the last episodes which made Allejuhah a little dull character wise. Also don't get me started on Saji Crossroad. I'll just say that in season 1 i liked Saji because of what he represented. He was pretty much the average person with his own hopes and dreams. It's interesting because through him we see how CB's action are having effects on people like him (Ali Al murders his sister and Louise's family is massacred by Nena.). He wasn't very good though in season 2 unfortunately (too whiny). Also i personally think that The A Laws should have been much more like The Titans from Zeta Gundam.

Edit: Btw dlr, would you say Graham Aker's character was redeemed at all in the movie when compared to season 2? I'm just curious that's all.

Edited by Re4_wesker, 29 September 2010 - 11:16 PM.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Im wary of discussing 00, because ive started flamewars on it before, as you know. But fine, just abit....

Graham's character was salvaged in the movie by practically backtracking to the way it was in season 1. All the baggage from season 2 was literally thrown out. In that way, yes hes redeemed. He has his head on straight again and isnt captain ahab anymore (from moby dick), if you get my reference. And he is the 2nd most awesome pilot in the show, IMO, behind H/Allelujah ,with none of the throwaway character shafting he got in season 2.

However, the movie could have been rewritten to leave him out, and other things could have happened to generate the same impact he had on the plot, so his actual importance is unfortunately small.

Im aware of unicorn's overall story, having read summaries of the novels, and overall, its a very fresh and original plot. What im referring to is the specifically the first episode, covering the first few events, which is, to me, abit of a cliche start. That specific comparison is because SG tacked that one episode against the whole 00 series.

If i may say abit about gundam in general, from the old UC series to today, you may notice that gundams have been getting the OP treatment more often, especially with SEED and 00. The reason for this, i believe, is with the attitude japanese have towards gundam. Series like 8th MS team exist because they try to portray gundam and mobile suits how tomino originally wanted it, which is as relatively realistic military vehicles, compared to super robots, as a prop for a war drama. Originally, RX-78 wasnt even supposed to be white, but it wouldnt sell as a toy in drab military colours.

How the japanese view gundam is like a sort of mecha version of superman. Its even a national icon. In their minds, gundam is supposed to be unbeatable and stands above all other war machines, except other gundams. 00 is popular because it enshrines this characteristic. Non-japanese tend to not like this kind of thing because we appreciate realism more and do not live in a country where gundam is as prevalent as in japan.

Gundam also sparked the 'ace' trend, where alot of shows like code geass or macross focus on aces who can trump anything their way. So that adds another reason why the gundams are what they are in 00.

[Re4_wesker]

Im wary of discussing 00, because ive started flamewars on it before, as you know. But fine, just abit....

Graham's character was salvaged in the movie by practically backtracking to the way it was in season 1. All the baggage from season 2 was literally thrown out. In that way, yes hes redeemed. He has his head on straight again and isnt captain ahab anymore (from moby dick), if you get my reference. And he is the 2nd most awesome pilot in the show, IMO, behind H/Allelujah ,with none of the throwaway character shafting he got in season 2.

However, the movie could have been rewritten to leave him out, and other things could have happened to generate the same impact he had on the plot, so his actual importance is unfortunately small.

Well that's good i suppose. Glad to hear that he returned to his old self in the movie.

Im aware of unicorn's overall story, having read summaries of the novels, and overall, its a very fresh and original plot. What im referring to is the specifically the first episode, covering the first few events, which is, to me, abit of a cliche start. That specific comparison is because SG tacked that one episode against the whole 00 series.

Awww so it was a misinterpretation on my part. My bad lol.

If i may say abit about gundam in general, from the old UC series to today, you may notice that gundams have been getting the OP treatment more often, especially with SEED and 00. The reason for this, i believe, is with the attitude japanese have towards gundam. Series like 8th MS team exist because they try to portray gundam and mobile suits how tomino originally wanted it, which is as relatively realistic military vehicles, compared to super robots, as a prop for a war drama. Originally, RX-78 wasnt even supposed to be white, but it wouldnt sell as a toy in drab military colours.

How the japanese view gundam is like a sort of mecha version of superman. Its even a national icon. In their minds, gundam is supposed to be unbeatable and stands above all other war machines, except other gundams. 00 is popular because it enshrines this characteristic. Non-japanese tend to not like this kind of thing because we appreciate realism more and do not live in a country where gundam is as prevalent as in japan.

Gundam also sparked the 'ace' trend, where alot of shows like code geass or macross focus on aces who can trump anything their way. So that adds another reason why the gundams are what they are in 00.

That is an interesting way of looking at it. I've heard of a few things similar ( like how Char is basically the "Darth Vader" of Japan). I do kinda wish it was a bit more realistic (specifically seed and 00). When i mean realistic i don't mean color schemes i mean more like balancing out the gundams a bit in favor of the plot.

[Dark Lord Revan]

That is an interesting way of looking at it. I've heard of a few things similar ( like how Char is basically the "Darth Vader" of Japan). I do kinda wish it was a bit more realistic (specifically seed and 00). When i mean realistic i don't mean color schemes i mean more like balancing out the gundams a bit in favor of the plot.

Rather than more realistic colours, its exactly this, rebalancing of the gundams, that wont happen. As opposed to when gundam first aired, it doesnt matter what they look like now. They can be pink. As long as they fight like war gods, thats all that matters...at least when they make a series like 00.

I mean, in code geass C.C. piloted a pink lancelot. And people buy the model kit. All that matters is that its a lancelot variant, and C.C. pilots it.

My overarching point would be that it doesnt matter what we want. If ppl in japan like it the way it is, then it will be that way. Until they seriously try to market anime overseas, which along with manga isnt very likely.

Like, i facepalm everytime i see on the net somewhere someone bitching about psp not having dual analogs, and that psp2 had better have em. But the japs dont nid nor want dual sticks. So its not gonna happen. If it comes out with single sticks again, ppl and gonna bitch again. But what does sony care? psp2 will be bought by japanese. Anything else is just a bonus, if they take it that the launch sales will be like the original. Namely, fantastic homeland sales, lousy overseas sales.

Unicorn is realistic in the fashion many of us prefer because not all fans want to see near super robot like gundams, like those in 00. But both groups are sizable. So we will have series like 00. And series like unicorn.

The kind that is not acceptable is like destiny. 00 has quality animation, good choreography...at least after the first few episodes, and even if it wasnt the best plot, it was well-ordered enough. Destiny does not even have any of these things. Animation is thrown out the window entirely, where half the episodes are made up of flashbacks, the other half reused footage. There is practically no coherent plot. The characters are not consistent, or are thrown away. The ending is so bad, they made a revised version of it.

They only thing it did right, in my opinion, is it informed sunrise that what their viewers (a good number anyway) want to see are gundams tearing up everything on-screen, like they did in destiny. A new series has to loose all that crappy baggage, but keep that feature. Thats 00.

Edited by Dark Lord Revan, 01 October 2010 - 07:23 PM.

[Stargazer]

00 has created enough of it's own crappy baggage. Namely the horrible characters, plot and writing. Not to mention the whole thing wasn't interesting "OH, how will the meisters win this battle?!" They'll either win easily or lose then get an upgrade which lets them win easily.

It's a sad day when the likes of Naruto and Bleach trump Gundam is regards to writing.

[Crusader]

Naruto probably, but you kid yourself with Bleach.

lolKubo is a worse troll than kadokawa with Endless eight, also WHAT writing in Bleach?