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[DesertRose]

Just read through all the change logs and it sounds amazing.
Greater emphasize on Supply Depots, execution taxes are getting reduced, lesser unit spam and tons of nice minor changes...

Looking forward for this version.

[Casojin]

After the first Alpha test (which we have done a few months ago), the new economy system is busted and 008 would revert to old eco.

[ApOcOlYpS]

Why was the new econ system busted?

[DesertRose]

Which mechanics of the economy system were reverted?

There was the double build time combined with half supply gathering, the supply gathering was later reverted to its old state, thus encouraging more diverse unit compositions.
Supply Depots have 10 times more supply, secondary income is limited, thus discouraging turtling.
Supply Center/Truck cost increased, thus discourage random expanding.

[Casojin]

I do like that AC150 too. It was removed because there is a little change to use it effectively in a contesting match. It is not very good at offensive (enemy AA would take it down in short time) and defensively its use is also limited (enemy would build lots of AA when attacking AFG base). It might be good supporting allies as you said but there are also other options as well. I think that's why Creator decided to remove it.

[lil tasman]

I agree, i liked it. You could have 3 of them an quickly demolish an enemy base if they had no AA. It was great for eliminationg the noobs who had no AA combined with the paradrop planes and chimeras against

[Casojin]

It seems that Creator is more concerned with veterans. Anyway, I tried to persuade him not to remove it back then but I doubt he would bring it back.

[Su8perkillr]

I didnt use it much, but it was a nice unit indeed. I dont think it is necessary to remove it, but maybe there is some technical boundary (unit cap?) that requires its removal to make more space for other units.

[DesertRose]

You shouldn't add/keep units just for the sake of adding/keeping units; from a certain point on all new units will be either redundant or make previous useful units redundant. I've already played a few commercial games and mods that destroyed themselves due to the misconception that more stuff equals more diversity and more awesomeness.

I agree, i liked it. You could have 3 of them an quickly demolish an enemy base if they had no AA. It was great for eliminationg the noobs who had no AA (...)

It seems that Creator is more concerned with veterans.

You two are basically saying here that AC-150 Vulture was a flawed designed unit; powerful in a match between newbies, next to useless against competent players. A unit should have similar usefulness in all skill ranks.

[lil tasman]

It does. You can eliminate AA with other planes or ground forces, then send the AC150s in to obliterate the rest.

[ApOcOlYpS]

That's not really true, since your opponent should be able to rebuild AA quite easily. In addition since you are AFG, they probably have a large amount of AA, which would take a LOT of commitment to kill without just sending in a few bombers to just eliminate the area.

[predator_bg]

can i make a suggestion on contra 008 make infantry smaller that they can really fit in the vehicles

I think they are small enough. The mod's goal is not realism.

[Casojin]

If you have 3 millions and you cannot beat enemy, I think you should go back to combat school. In a human match, 3 millions cash for one person is VERY RARE. The way to stop the Aurora is to attack and destroy their airfields (which would be very easy if you have 3 millions and attack en masse).

Aurora is not unbalance considering the cost and granting rank. If you play with a good strategy from the beginning, it is very hard for your enemy to field large number of Aurora Bombers.

[slave]

Sorry guyes, but I didn't understand... is this game now avialable or not? (contra 008)