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#21 Námo

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Posted 03 May 2010 - 08:38 AM


Karen Wynn Fonstad has published a very comprehensive collection (210 pages) of maps in The Atlas of Tolkien's Middle-earth, with (estimated) some two thousand references on different subjects like topography (maps - lots of them in different scale), travel routes, army movements (plus estimates on the sizes of these) in different battles, architecture, landforms, climate, vegetation, population and languages.

Just an example, a little spillover from my HD, from some notes on the occurrence of red rock in Middle-earth - this bit on the Misty Mountains and Moria. I don't know if such info is useful for your mapping, but here it is:

... Red stone was mentioned near both Rivendell and Moria. In the Trollshaws the East Road cut through 'moist walls of red stone on its last leg, descending to the Ford of Bruinen [...] In the western part of the Trollshaws Thorin and company crossed a 'rushing red' river, indicative that it was carrying sediment from the red soil [...] Near Moria the Fellowship scrambled through a barren country of 'red stones' [...] In the mountain range itself, only Caradhras was noted as the 'Redhorn' while the other rock was described as gray. It seems unlikely that Caradhras, the tallest of the Mountains of Moria, would have been composed of the same red rock found in the foothills - especially as the other peaks were obviously of different material. One of two things may have accounted for its color: Its bedrock was a third rock type not present in either the foothills or the surrounding mountains, or its bedrock was not red at all but merely reflected rays of the rising sun.
One additional factor may shred light on the subject - mineralization. The lodes of mithril, an ore found nowhere else, were 'north towards Caradhras, and down to darkness'. Veins of precious ores normally result from repeated igneous intrusions into faults. If intrusions had occurred, extrusions might have also been present; and the Redhorn might have been an isolated peak of igneous rock, such as andesite porphyry, which is dull pink or red.


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Posted 03 May 2010 - 09:02 AM

Wow, I think I might look into this Atlas of Middle-Earth stuff :)
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Posted 03 May 2010 - 11:03 AM


I plan to make some posting on the topography of Middle-earth, later on in the T3A Lore Forum ... it'll take a little time, but when posted, there will be links to them in this index.


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Posted 03 May 2010 - 05:15 PM

Sweet! Do you think you could give me some description on Dorwinion, Orocarni mountains, Lorien, and Far Harad? Because i made a Far Harad map, and i need some decisions on how well it was done.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 12:30 AM

sooo
how long until were back on the old forums?

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Posted 04 May 2010 - 12:31 AM

Neh... give it a day.

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Posted 04 May 2010 - 08:32 AM


... Do you think you could give me some description on Dorwinion, Orocarni mountains, Lorien, and Far Harad? ...

Gosh, you ask a lot, boy ... I don't really do request like that ... but I'll post some info in the Lore Forum, when I get around to write on those areas. Don't expect much, except on Lothlórien (the beautiful 'Dreamflower' of Middle-earth) ... I don't do fiction, only Tolkien lore, cartography and languages.

@Sauron: Det er først gået op for mig i dag, at vi er landsmænd ... Vel mødt! :)

Do you have a map of the entire Arda with all its continents? (Third Age)

I think this will do ... an example of Karen Wynn Fonstad's maps:

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Posted 04 May 2010 - 09:03 AM

@Sauron: Det er først gået op for mig i dag, at vi er landsmænd ... Vel mødt!

For Satan, det squ sandt. :) Jeg anede virkelig ikke, at du var dansk.

Nice kort som du har der, man kan endda se hvor Beleriand plejede at ligge og Numenore. Tak for det :p

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Nice map you got there, you can even see where Beleriand used to be and Numenore. Thanks for it :cool2:

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Posted 04 May 2010 - 01:11 PM


... you can even see where Beleriand used to be and Numenore ...

Because it is in fact a map of Arda in the Second Age, which you can tell from the names on the well-known part of Middle-earth (Lond Daer, Edhellond, Ost-in-Edhil etc.) ... should not make a big difference, though.


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Posted 04 May 2010 - 06:58 PM

Hey cool, you have the same map book I used. Drats... my secrets!

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Posted 04 May 2010 - 07:26 PM

That's really damn cool lol. Did Tolkein release anything on ANY of the other continents?
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 08:49 PM

That's really damn cool lol. Did Tolkein release anything on ANY of the other continents?

He has probably mentioned them in some of his notes...
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 11:14 PM

Lol, just noticed Valinor, so yea. I never read anything of Hither Lands, Dark Lands, and the Wall of the Sun. Interesting...I'm going to have to make some maps to fill some space :thumbsupsmiley: starting with Dorwinion and Orocarni. I did not know that Orocarni was way out there, someone made it seem closer. And the Grey Mountains sound really familiar, even though i've never heard of them. And the info on Lorien is greatly appreciated :wink_new:
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Posted 05 May 2010 - 08:37 AM


Just a final advise on topographical maps, and I'll be off, heading back to my own Halls.

There are some very good maps to be found in various places on the Internet ... or rather was:

Maps of Tolkien's world have been mostly removed from the Internet at the request of the Tolkien estate lawyers, even when the map is not made by Tolkien, and the map maker makes no money as is the usual case. Some maps may later be licensed by the Tolkien estate and back online. In hope of this, I have not removed the links although they may be down currently.

link: http://valarguild.or.../encyc/maps.htm

This info might be a bit old, and I can't tell if the info on the Tolkien estate lawyers is true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it really is the case.

I do know that some of the most beautiful maps have indeed been removed, so I've made a habit of downloading them if valuable for my purposes.

So ... if you find any that could be useful for you mapping, my advise is to download them, you can't be sure they will be there next time you need them.

Good luck with your projects!


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Posted 06 May 2010 - 03:02 AM

That's really damn cool lol. Did Tolkein release anything on ANY of the other continents?

He has probably mentioned them in some of his notes...

In fact I think the maps out already were constructed from his notes alone. Some graphic Lord of the Rings Freaks with help from Christopher Tolkien got together to make the big Atlas book.




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