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#21 Allathar

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 10:23 AM

As a matter of fact, I believe Jesus teaches how homesexuals are sinners and deserve to die.
It has been reported that some victims of rape, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not WAKE UP. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren't being raped. The only way that they realized they needed to WAKE UP was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to WAKE UP. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and PLEASE WAKE UP

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 10:36 AM

I do not believe in homosexuality

I don't believe in it either. Everyone who claims to be homosexual is lying. Damn attention seekers.
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There's no belief, opinion or even values about it. It's neither wrong, nor right - it just is. You can't have a belief for or against it any more than you can have a belief for or against tall people. You seem to be the kind to advocate separate but equal.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:20 AM

I did a number of google searches using "number of christian bombings 2009" "number of muslim bombings 2009" and "number of religious bombings 2009"

Besides one wiki link listing various Christian terrorist groups and sporadic bombings over decades, EVERY other link was only about Muslims bombing people.

Unless Google has a hidden agenda against Muslims, it seems massively disproportionate. It appears your hatred for Christians supersedes all other things. It would be fair for me to then also include Hindu bombings against Muslims in India. But that takes the topic way off topic.

This one was a Muslim bashing thread. Feel free to start a Christian bashing thread though. I'm sure it'll be a very busy thread. :p

I wonder what the odds are of being killed by a Muslim terrorist vs a Christian terrorist? Do you think they would be anywhere near equal? Just curious of your opinion on that one.


I'm going to be late to the party and interject here. You don't hear them called 'Christian terrorists', because we give them specific names. The USA is full of Christian groups with militant arms (the Ku Klux Klan, are incredibly famous as an example). Sure, they are 'Christian terrorists' - they are terrorists that are Christian, but we don't call them that because not all Christians are terrorists. So why brand all muslims terrorists (1/4 of the worlds population)?

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:21 AM

As a matter of fact, I believe Jesus teaches how homesexuals are sinners and deserve to die.


It was actually the thoughts associated with sexuality i.e. lust, anger

i.e. when you lust at a women with your eyes you are commiting adultery.

All "sin" equals death.

There is no "worst" sin although I know catholics with their own doctrines outside original teachers make it out their is worst sins.

Your treated the same regardless of your history.

You seem to be the kind to advocate separate but equal.


Exactly, I don't hate people for their views but likewise I feel I have equal rights like any other to express my point of view but in the current society if you believe in any old fashioned values like "no sex before marriage" or family units, you seem to be branded a xeno/homophobic or extremist.
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:23 AM

Maybe you should read my entire post before sounding like a troll or orc.

Belief, opinion, values its all the same term.

Also you haven't given any valid response.


I did read your entire post, that excerpt was just the most hilariously stupid part of it.

"As a Christian, I don't belieeeeve in homosexualityyyyy..."

Get real.

Your treated the same regardless of your history.


And you think this is the morally valid way of judging people? Not taking into account their motivations based on the lives they lead?

That's a pretty serious rock you're living under.

Exactly, I don't hate people for their views but likewise I feel I have equal rights like any other to express my point of view.


Doesn't mean your point of view isn't based on ancient bullshit, though. And neither does it mean that people like me have no right to call you out on it.

Edited by Matias, 27 August 2010 - 11:26 AM.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:27 AM

Oh so respecting your parents, not killing people and treating the down trodden with respect is ancient bullshit?

Also in modern society, their is this goal of equality i.e. whatever background you come from you should be given the equal opportunity to be whatever you want to be.

Obviously if your actions impact on others their should be consequences but this is obvious, thats why laws and legal systems exist.

Their is no need for personal attacks.
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:29 AM

Oh so respecting your parents, not killing people and treating the down trodden with respect is ancient bullshit?


No, that's common sense. If you need a book, a preacher and the promise of eternal afterlife or the threat of hell to convince you to do those things, you are one dangerous motherfucker.

Seriously, you Christians always imply that the only thing holding back your primal rage is the presence of your holy book and the delusional idea that doing good is rewarded in the afterlife. I'm an atheist (more of an apatheist, but I'm letting myself go here today) and I have never considered killing anybody, nor do I disrespect my parents, and I always donate my change to homeless people I encounter.

You guys are just fucking scary.

Edited by Matias, 27 August 2010 - 11:35 AM.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:32 AM

If only people would apply it in pratice then.

You hear about it in the news every day - fraudlent behaviour, sexual abuse, violence, human trafficking, the list goes on.

Clearly something is already messed up in the world if everyone has lost this so called "common sense"

Your say I am "sterotyping" but your calling all people with religious points of views delusional or extermist terrorists.
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:40 AM

And you think that has something to do with the Christian faith not being properly well-spread? Or what? Because if you do, I assure you that plenty of those people are Christian. But I also give you this, the fact they commit atrocities has nothing to do with whatever bullshit they believe in; the human race in and of itself is, to me, pretty terrible. Christianity clearly did not help, nor will it ever.

Christianity, like just about every ideology out there, is just a way for people to feel better about themselves while still going out of their way to fuck up their neighbours.

Edited by Matias, 27 August 2010 - 11:42 AM.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:42 AM

It was actually the thoughts associated with sexuality i.e. lust, anger


Lev 18:22, 20:13, Rom 1:23-32

All "sin" equals death.


That's one cruel God if you ask me.

There is no "worst" sin although I know catholics with their own doctrines outside original teachers make it out their is worst sins.


So being gay is on the same level as raping and then murdering an innocent?

Your treated the same regardless of your history.


Only if you believe in the same God. You're free to do whatever you want to non-believers.

If only people would apply it in pratice then.

You hear about it in the news every day - fraudlent behaviour, sexual abuse, violence, human trafficking, the list goes on.

Clearly something is already messed up in the world if everyone has lost this so called "common sense"

And all that would be different if we believed in the One, True God? What, you haven't heard the news about the child abuse in the Catholic Church?

Christianity, like just about every ideology out there, is just a way for people to feel better about themselves while still going out of their way to fuck up their neighbours.


Amen.
It has been reported that some victims of rape, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not WAKE UP. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren't being raped. The only way that they realized they needed to WAKE UP was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to WAKE UP. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and PLEASE WAKE UP

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:42 AM

Theirs a difference between labelling yourself and actions in real life.

Seperate opinions and actions.

I'm always believed its down to individual choice.

Just like Nazism.

People said they were just following their government when they shot people but they still had a choice.

Finally I don't claim to know everything and never will.

Also bible quotes its again up to individual interpretation and if it that thought goes against the main point i.e. your enemies are your neighbours is a christian teaching showing tolerance.
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:44 AM

Theirs a difference between labelling yourself and actions in real life.


Sure, if you lack a spine.

Or if you're secretly aware that the label you put on yourself is bullshit, but you don't want to risk hell or nothingness after you're dead. Well, have I got news for you! There is no such thing, and if there was, God would be very aware of your lies.

Edited by Matias, 27 August 2010 - 11:46 AM.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:48 AM

Like I said your entitled to your opinion and if your opinion is true, thats fine as well because I'll be dead anyhow.

Also during this dicussion I haven't actually tried to troll, flame, insult anyone yet you carry on as if I have because other people have chosen to use religion or whatever viewpoint to further their own agendas.
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:49 AM

Also bible quotes its again up to individual interpretation and if it that thought goes against the main point i.e. your enemies are your neighbours is a christian teaching showing tolerance.


Just shows again that the Bible is full of contradictions, ergo made up by people, and not the Word of God. Because if it was the Word of God, I bet he'd be careful not to contradict himself.

Also, what's the point of a Book of God that is open to individual interpretation? If I were God, I'd make sure that my message is clear and not to be misinterpreted...
It has been reported that some victims of rape, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not WAKE UP. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren't being raped. The only way that they realized they needed to WAKE UP was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to WAKE UP. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and PLEASE WAKE UP

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:52 AM

Like I said your entitled to your opinion and if your opinion is true, thats fine as well because I'll be dead anyhow


So I win?

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:58 AM

Also, what's the point of a Book of God that is open to individual interpretation? If I were God, I'd make sure that my message is clear and not to be misinterpreted...


Life isn't black and white, we have free choice, the ability to make our own decisions, we can be given rules, things to follow, ideas to uphold or defend but in the end we have choice to do what we want to do.

Everything in life can be taken or used by another resulting in someone elses benefit or burden.

Also if you truly think "winning" is all their is all to a debate or discussion then whatever.

Also closing this thread before in turns into a potential flame fest.
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 08:14 PM

Opened and restored. I don't know exactly why you closed it Allied General, but there's no reason for it.

Don't know where this used to be so I just moved it to Open Topic
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 09:47 PM

Fairly sure it was in House of Parliament, moved there.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 10:35 PM

Do we really need yet another sodding reality show. We've had over a decade of this bullshit and it's clearly time for it all to fuck off.

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Also closing this thread before in turns into a potential flame fest.


You worried about a flamefest before I'd had the chance to make a single post? Perhaps the rumours about you are true after all :p

Edited by Acrimonious, 27 August 2010 - 10:38 PM.

Hostile is a cunt.

Thought I'd have that here to save time.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 06:56 AM

Lol, well he was clearly trying to pre-empt our arrival to the party.

The only major religion which I haven't heard terrorism from is Sikhism.
Oh, did my research - that's all 6.

The irony there being that they carry a fucking dagger about their person at all times. Under English law, that'd be an offence, except they've got it for religious reasons. So...yeah. I stop and search a guy, find his little stabbin' knife and am required to hand it back. He then proceeds to stab someone with said stabbin' knife and I'll probably get crucified by professional standards for my trouble. What's a guy to do...

There's a lot of these promotions of Islam as the 'Religion of Peace' going on around the World these days. In the UK they run a campaign "Inspired by Muhammed":
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claiming their prophet to be the first to advocate, among other issues:

social justice
Women's Rights
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Great job, Muhammed! :p How very arrogant of them to claim he was the first to think of those things and support them. Oh yes, I'm sure that all the many great people who've rallied for those three causes were all 'inspired by Muhammed'. I'm sure that was Gandhi's inspiration. And Martin Luther King's. And the Suffragettes movement. Women enjoy far more equal rights in this country than they do in most if not all muslim countries. So, uh, yeah. Score one for the infidel. And let's not get to social justice.

Its probably interpretations of his teachings in the koran which are shared by main religions -

Jesus teachings for example

1. social justice - helping the sick, poor, downtrodden of society and emphasis on justice via legal means
2. women's right - treating women fairly and acknowledge how they support men in relationships and how men should respect women.
3. protecting the enviroment - adam and eve being "stewards" of the land and treating lifestock humanely.

Also the majority of "human rights" have been mentioned before in religious texts which are unchanged for the mainstream, original routes.

I hate to have to agree with AG for a change, but this just proves my point: Muhammed wasn't the only geezer going around at about this time saying all this stuff. Pretty much every religion puts men above women though.

...was considered a acceptable "norm" like feeding policital dissidents to animals.

Now they just feed them to the media hounds, or, if you're in Iran or China, feed them bullets. How very progressive.

What Buddhist terrorists have there been? Or does that guy who set himself on fire count as a vandal?

I lol'd.

Also this whole scapegoat religion is getting boring.

It's not really scapegoating if the motivation for the terrorist act is religious conviction. If the bombers were shouting "Death to the Americans who invade our land unlawfully!", that wouldn't be religious. Shouting "For Allah!" means it's religiously-motivated. Guess which one gets shouted by most such bombers. No, go on, guess.

Their is a major difference between different opinions and actions.

For example thinking about illegal activity and performing/promoting it.

Or for example your views on animal welfare and fire bombing a researcher's home.

Opinion is a value judgement about something. These actions are motivated by beliefs, but not opinions.

Removing religion won't stop killing/world problems. Only removing free will and emotions like desire and anger will.

Yay for tyranny!

No, that's common sense. If you need a book, a preacher and the promise of eternal afterlife or the threat of hell to convince you to do those things, you are one dangerous motherfucker.

Seriously, you Christians always imply that the only thing holding back your primal rage is the presence of your holy book and the delusional idea that doing good is rewarded in the afterlife. I'm an atheist (more of an apatheist, but I'm letting myself go here today) and I have never considered killing anybody, nor do I disrespect my parents, and I always donate my change to homeless people I encounter.

You guys are just fucking scary.

Amen. It's the same as islam's love if making women wear veils. As if a) it's the woman's fault she got raped (oh wait, in Saudi Arabia, woman rapes YOU!) b) it would be impossible for a man to stop himself raping a woman if he could see her. I must be a self-control supremo compared to a muslim, then, as I have walked down beaches full of girls in bikinis and I've never once been compelled to rape one of them.


Like I said your entitled to your opinion and if your opinion is true, thats fine as well because I'll be dead anyhow


So I win?

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