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[smashedsaturn]

Is there a way to force wedge and ackbar in their SSDs plus a supporting fleet into a battle with vader and palleon in theirs? Perhaps a custom campaign with two generic no bonus asteroid fields with really open maps either you could add or I could create? I really want to see the carnage of a full fleet engagement

[johnchm.10]

so it occured to me that when the Imperial class was updated into the Imperial II class Star Destroyer, i saw that the removal of the point-defense guns as a downgrade. then it hit me: the ISD2 may have been optimized for bombardment and heavy fleet actions, similar to that of the Tector-class, but still having fighters. in addition, the Naval Doctrine at the time may have considered TIEs to be a point defense system in itself. it wanted bigger guns to do more damage against the larger starships the Rebels were acquiring.
additionally, i imagine that the Octet guns require a lot more power then the previous turrets, so in order to keep the guns firing at a reasonable rate

[Phoenix Rising]

smashed, it's pretty easy to add starting heroes to campaigns, although if you don't update the Story_Sandbox files, you'll be able to rebuild the hero before he's actually dead.

[johnchm.10]

so, what's with the VSD-1 only having the 2 Main Engines and the 2 Secondary ones mounted in between the Mains, like the Harrow. not complaining or anything, it just seems a little odd

Edited by johnchm.10, 26 April 2012 - 01:29 PM.

[Phoenix Rising]

I suspect EJ did it that way to point out the ineffectiveness of the original Alderaanian engines. I thought it was kind of a nice dimorphism.

[johnchm.10]

i think its a nice touch. and it was said that the Victory-class was rushed into service a few months early, so the Two Main engine design may have been the Original-ORIGINAL design, with the additional engines being added after the hard-core combat experience

[johnchm.10]

so, i was doing some thinking while reading Solo Command, and the following thought occurred to me. the Imperial and Tector classes are based off the same hull, with the TSD serving as a ship optimized for Ship-to-Ship and presumably Ship-to-Surface (bombardment) warfare as opposed to Ship-to-Starfighter, and the ISD serving as a general purpose ship, performing well in all three roles, but is not the best in either of the three. i know the role may be taken by the Venator, but im kinda surprised that there isnt a Heavy Carrier variant of the Imperial Class hull. you could easily carry double or even triple the amount of embarked craft, if you scrap a lot of the heavy guns, ground forces and some of the other heavy gear.
secondary to that, but related to carriers, a "through-deck" would be cool to have, kinda like the Galactica from Battlestar Galactia, but with less flak guns

[P.O._210877]

im kinda surprised that there isnt a Heavy Carrier variant of the Imperial Class hull.

Imperial policy.

The Imperial Navy used an overall strategy of focusing on capital ship firepower rather than starfighter superiority. This was reflected through the design of their starships, the formation of their naval units and the overall organization of the force.

[Zeta1127]

There is supposedly a dedicated SSD starfighter carrier, but other than that, dedicated starfighter carriers are few and far between with the Empire, beyond auxiliary vessels.

[johnchm.10]

a dedicated SSD carrier? damn. if its an Executor, that's an absurd number of fighters. hell, you could probably carry a dozen Strike-cruisers in her Hangers

[P.O._210877]

Anyone knows in what source these dedicated carriers are cited?

Edited by P.O._210877, 28 April 2012 - 09:23 PM.

[johnchm.10]

apparently, in the Starships of the Galaxy (Saga Edition) sourcebook for the RPG. well, at least a reference.

Edited by johnchm.10, 28 April 2012 - 09:30 PM.

[P.O._210877]

Yeah, but not "the shiniest star in the sky"... Saga Edition didn't do a great job with that book, imo.

Edited by P.O._210877, 28 April 2012 - 10:59 PM.

[johnchm.10]

ill take your word for it. did they mess something up or was it just not that great quality? i havent read the sourcebooks

Edited by johnchm.10, 28 April 2012 - 11:15 PM.

[P.O._210877]

Well, a little from column A and a little from column B. They "simplified" the stat system (not in a good way) and they, how should I put this, took a lot of liberties in the ships' descriptions. The "Super Star Destroyer" entry is particularly bad.

Edited by P.O._210877, 28 April 2012 - 11:47 PM.

[smashedsaturn]

we can assume the SSD carrier is a Secutor class now can't we? Seems to fill the role of heavy carrier pretty well.

[Zeta1127]

we can assume the SSD carrier is a Secutor class now can't we? Seems to fill the role of heavy carrier pretty well.

No, because the Secutor-class isn't a SSD, just like the Allegiance-class isn't a simple Star Destroyer. Don't get me wrong, it could probably carry a lot of starfighters, but simply can't be the so-called SSD starfighter carrier.

[P.O._210877]

can't be the so-called SSD starfighter carrier.

You are assuming that said carrier exists. Personally I don't put a lot of faith in the SOGSE descriptions : "... Super Star Destroyer sometimes served as mobile repair bases, starfighter carriers, or communication ships..."

As you can see, not much to go on in the first place. That's ignoring the fact that the Empire would not build dreadnought size starships and put them on repair duty!

[smashedsaturn]

we can assume the SSD carrier is a Secutor class now can't we? Seems to fill the role of heavy carrier pretty well.

No, because the Secutor-class isn't a SSD, just like the Allegiance-class isn't a simple Star Destroyer. Don't get me wrong, it could probably carry a lot of starfighters, but simply can't be the so-called SSD starfighter carrier.

I figure that this is the classic SSD means bigger than a star destroyer trope. The only mention of it was obscure and possibly intended as a "hey they also carry fighters in addition to all this other cool stuff!".

[johnchm.10]

a mobile Yard wouldn't need to be an multi-Kilometer beast. assuming its going to repair something the size of an Imperial Class Star Destroyer, considered to be the Main Line Starship in the Navy, any mobile yard would only need to be 2 Kilometers, if even that. and for the larger Star Cruisers and up, i cannot see them traveling without a fleet of support units packed to the brim with technicians and parts, assuming they can't make the repairs themselves

Edited by johnchm.10, 29 April 2012 - 02:05 AM.