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[Zeta1127]

I figure that this is the classic SSD means bigger than a star destroyer trope. The only mention of it was obscure and possibly intended as a "hey they also carry fighters in addition to all this other cool stuff!".

Yeah, the reference is so obscure and only attempts to be legitimate by mentioning communications ships, an obvious reference to the recently identified Pride of Tarlandia, the main communications ship from the Battle of Endor. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of SSD variants filling the role of mobile repair bases, starfighter carriers, and communications ships, but its so obscure that it is really hard to take seriously.

[Phoenix Rising]

I'd interpret that as one of many roles they can fill. I can't imagine a dedicated Imperial carrier bigger than the Venator, and the Empire mostly got rid of those early on.

On another topic, does anyone know of any Z-95 variants besides the ones named on Wook? For example, I coined the Z-95X designation to describe the known s-foil modification. Is there anything else like that that may not have a proper term, but is still equally valid?

Edited by Phoenix Rising, 29 April 2012 - 03:26 AM.

[skie9173]

In that format I would also take that quote to mean that those are roles that any SSD could perform. I would easily believe though that somewhere in KDY's databases would be vague ideas or blueprints for a carrier style SSD. The Empire would likely never use it but some bored engineer or designer may still have work on the idea at some point.

[Zeta1127]

I'd interpret that as one of many roles they can fill. I can't imagine a dedicated Imperial carrier bigger than the Venator, and the Empire mostly got rid of those early on.

Exactly, not dedicated carriers at least.

On another topic, does anyone know of any Z-95 variants besides the ones named on Wook? For example, I coined the Z-95X designation to describe the known s-foil modification. Is there anything else like that that may not have a proper term, but is still equally valid?

Sorry, I don't know a whole lot about the Z-95 other than its an ancestor of the X-wing and the variants in the mod.

Edited by Zeta1127, 29 April 2012 - 03:50 AM.

[johnchm.10]

On another topic, does anyone know of any Z-95 variants besides the ones named on Wook? For example, I coined the Z-95X designation to describe the known s-foil modification. Is there anything else like that that may not have a proper term, but is still equally valid?

http://www.galactic-voyage.com/ might have some more information. its a decent site when it comes to the ships department, but theres a bunch of holes there. some of the ships are missing stats that even Wook has, some of the stats for other ships are conjecture, slightly off, or just plain wrong, and theres a number of Fannon ships

secondary to that, and i think you guys might already use this site, and i know its got fannon, RPGGamer.org might have some decent stats. in case you havent used it, its got stats for both D6 and D20 rules. im running through the site again and it looks like not all ships are covered in both sections. case in point, the only vong ship in the D/6 area is the CoralSkipper

Edited by johnchm.10, 29 April 2012 - 04:54 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

Thanks. The RPG site has a lot of new Z-95 variants, but not a whole lot of them are rooted in canon.

[johnchm.10]

not a problem. lol, they were using vessels clearly lifted from Stargate and i think it was EVE Online, and decking them out with Star Wars tech.

[johnchm.10]

had another thought, the nature of which is somewhat random, and im not sure if its been brought up before. the MC- classification system may be describing the model reactor/power plant used in the overall design. using the PR stats, this makes overall sense, as it is plausible for reactor tech to improve in an irregular fashion, similar to computers (moore's law), albeit not as extreme, as well as any number of other areas in real life. it makes a bit more sense than using a tonnage-based system

[Phoenix Rising]

Yeah, I think the tonnage idea is pretty much dead.

[johnchm.10]

the only way the tonnage idea would still work is if someone screwed up the dimensions of the MC-series ships. if that was the case, then the MC-30 is likely the most screwed up, as the stats on it arent as complete as the -40 and -80, even in regards to the actual size of the ship, for which we can thank X-wing Alliance, among other sources.
as an aside to that, you think that after the Mon Cals converted their existing Liners to their War-time configurations, that they would build new ones, and if so, would they be more of a uniform design?

[P.O._210877]

you think that after the Mon Cals converted their existing Liners to their War-time configurations, that they would build new ones, and if so, would they be more of a uniform design?

They did, the MC80A. It is mentioned at the end of the section dedicated to the Mon Cal cruisers in the EGTW.

My money is on the Reef-Home class.

[Phoenix Rising]

MC30 length was my call. 400 m is as large as it could be while still being frigate class. I figured 500 was the hard cap - it had to be smaller than MC40. I'm not opposed to changing any of that, with due evidence.

[johnchm.10]

no the length works out. the issue is on there not being as good stats on the -30 as there are the 40, but thats an issue thats not going away any time soon

Edited by johnchm.10, 29 May 2012 - 12:59 AM.

[Kitkun]

Speaking of size, some of the smaller ships don't really work out too well. The Nebulon-B is rather tiny for it's complement, and the CC-9600 is more like a cruiser in armament and complement. Even the Lancer carries a stormtrooper transport that would take up a fair chunk of the ship.

Things like the Carrack and Dodonna do it well, though.

Edited by Kitkun, 31 May 2012 - 11:39 PM.

[evilbobthebob]

It's generally assumed that a lot of the smaller warships have starfighters on docking pylons external to the ship. The EF76 has been a problem for hangars for a long time. The CC-9600 is generally overpowered for its size in many ways.

[Phoenix Rising]

If you want to rely on EaW stats, you could scale the MC30 against the MC80.

I need to change how the Nebulon-B launches its fighters. They should be above and below the pylon, with a small shuttle hangar opposite the engines.

I think the CC-9600 is supposed to be a frigate-sized version of the DP20.

The Lancer shuttle is really meant to be a Gamma-class Assault Shuttle, which is a little smaller.

[johnchm.10]

for the neb:
baring the Salvation from TFU-2, which seems way too large to be a normal Neb-B, the only model of a Neb-B weve seen is the model used for the Redemption, a ship modified for exclusive use as a Medical Ship. point being that the standard Neb-B might be somewhat different.
for the CC-9600:
you can scale it up anywhere between 1 and 50 percent and still have it in the Frigate-size range (250-400 meters long) (well, 48 percent will put you in at 399.6 meters.) im using your 1.1 stats as mentioned on the 1.1 Upgrades thread. obviously, you wouldnt need a full on 50% increase in size, as the resulting ship would look like a Fat Escort Carrier, and i know that you dont want to have to modify the model if you dont have to, baring bug-fixes, et al.
Lancer time:
the Assault Shuttle seems like a good choice for the Lancer. its more efficient compared to the Lambda in terms of capabilities compared to size

[Phoenix Rising]

I've always felt the same about using the Redemption as the prototype for the Nebulon-B.

Also, the CC-9600 length is semi-arbitrary... I think I just went with internet consensus.

Edited by Phoenix Rising, 31 May 2012 - 04:52 AM.

[johnchm.10]

i was actually checking the Freeworlds Tides of War mod to see if they had anything, as theyve got some of the best models (no offence, but the mod is for a flight sim so theyve got to have more detail) of have modified some of the models so that they look better (the E-wing and Howlrunner mainly), while still maintaining canon. nothing there. come to think of it, i think the only place the 9600 is seen is in SW: Rebellion, a game that i am not exactly fond of. personal feelings aside, most of the other ships youve got have more stats for them.
honestly, and i know that this idea would probably get scrapped, as it generates work, but you might want to scrap the 96 and replace it with something else. of course then that brings up the issue of what would replace it. the only two ships in the New Class program that are frigate sized are already here, the Hajen and Sacheen, so theyre out. the Corona or Nebulon-B2 might also be good replacements though

for the Neb-B:
the compliment of 2 TIE squadrons kinda works. according to the schematic from the original guide to vehicles and vessels, that long wing-like section underneath the main hull houses a lot of the large and heavy equipment. and we are talking about standard TIEs. if Night Caller, a CR-90 Corvette could carry a quartet in its converted bow cargo hold, with room enough for catwalks, id imagine that the main hull of a Neb, minus the larger Medical section, could carry a hanger suitable for a squadron of TIEs to fit.quite comfortably, or two squadrons with a lot less room

[Kitkun]

I was actually thinking more of the Rebel version of the Nebulon-B which carries their much larger fighters. I also single out the CC9600 as it's firepower is on par with the larger Strike with a slightly superior complement. And the next ships to best those armaments are the Republic and Victory.

Anyways, I don't really see the Corona or B2 replacing the 9600. The 9600 is geared all towards anti-capital, whereas the others are multirole. Or even where they fit into the mod, as we have the Nebulon-B to start with, and later the Sacheen fitting a similar role as the Corona and B2.

Edited by Kitkun, 01 June 2012 - 11:40 AM.