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[skie9173]

Transport combat drops... That's interesting. For whatever reason this is basically what happens when I land Han and Chewie, sometimes to powerful effect

[a.fake.name]

Land battle maps in EAW are really not suited for controllable air units. They're just too small, and PRs AA weapons are a bit weak. If I could build LAATs in PR, I'd only use them with infantry, if there would be floating/flying fighters/bombers with laser guns and launchers, who would use tanks? Only a narrow cradle of rts games implemented air units correctly, sadly EAW is no amongst them. I'd rather see more directly uncontrollable air support systems (fighter missile strafing run against armored units, bombing runs against large clusters of enemies/buildings, LAAT/strormtr. transport combat drop/gunship strike etc), and focus gameplay on actual land battle, with more emphasis on mobilized infantry units.

The AA weapons may be a 'bit' weak, but remember this is for discussing a new version of PR.
That means the AA weapons could get stronger.
Also, I've never found them to be that weak, I just counter airpower with airpower and land some cloud cars.

Actually I ALLREADY use cloud cars heavily as soon as I get them researched in GC, as they do so much damage and scout so well.
That's really the main reason I don't see why to not add snubcraft, we have a single type in use by both sides on land maps plus the snowspeeder.


That said I do see a possible compromise....

1: HERO snubcraft get to fly in atmosphere.
2: Add a foward air controller unit to each side (and some ground heroes) that PER EACH UNIT with the ability can call it their own seperate air strikes, some of which may include a vanguard of escort fighters that attract AA fire and attack stuff on the ground ahead of the bombers.

[megabalta]

I've played with mods that added fighters, bombers, corvettes and even acclamator to land combat. I just don't know why it's called a land battle anymore. As you said, you use air units heavily on land. More air units means more usage of air units, and less of actual ground units. I think it's better to differentiate between space/atmospheric battle and land battle. These maps are not suited for rogue squadrons.

Adding air support abilities to "air control" units is a really good idea, I just don't know how adding/coding new abilities work, hence if it's possible.

[a.fake.name]

Actually more air units means I'm going to actually bother to train up AA which is currently about as useful as fake tits on a zombie as it has nothing to shoot other than both sides LAATs that stay useful no matter how many other transports you research, because they somehow can't be used on the ground.

Also, as for differentiating between land/space battles, the first thing to do would be to remove all of the GROUND transports are are only usable in space.....

As for the mods with an acclamator on ground maps... link please!



As a closing thought: screw 'balance'.

Just put the sit where it goes, with the proper stats.

Balance is having the sense to counter shit and got get your butt kicked.

[megabalta]

Scouts are already obsolete because of flyers. It's a shame if you ask me, FOW lost its teeth.

AA weapons are there to limit overgrowth of air units, but if fighters were available on land, why would you need AA units? Also why would you need landing zones for aerial units? If there were no landing zones who would use infantry? If no infantry is there why would you need tanks or transports? Why would you even call it a land battle?

 

http://www.moddb.com...or-land-variant

Acclamator land variant, it even spawns ties.

[a.fake.name]

I've found, on the rare occasion in other mods where I went up against a decent number of snubcraft (usually while I was the aggressor) that having AA to supplement your fighters is a VERY effective tactic as it assures you at least several very fast kills each time the AA fire, even if the AA itself fails to kill the target.

As for that link........... damn I wish we could have that in PR. Imagine a VSD-I in a ground map like it was designed for according to the canon.

The main issue I can think of is the Acclamator would require landing gear animation to land and take on/off troops (it is a giant transport, remember).

[megabalta]

I don't know why but I'm really waiting for the winner of this poll. Are there any news from this?

[evilbobthebob]

We have a Vindicator-class model knocking about, it's up to PR if/when he wants to add it in.

[megabalta]

Yay yay yay yay yay!

[P.O._210877]

Yes! I've been "lobbying" for years to  include the Vindicator; now it's a step closer.

[Aizen Teppa]

As forum works properly [for a change] then I have good reason to post in such nice thread.

 

I won't hide that voted all except Clone Wars holdovers. These belong to Rebellion, Pirates and CIS as it should be.

 

1. PR looks barren (space units-wise) when compared to number of different mods (dead or alive alike)

2. While Rebellion had certainly a lot of trouble to match Imperial-muscles they had to scavenge ships left, right and center (at least initially) - CW leftovers. I would even be for allowing Rebellion to build certain CW ships.

3. I don't pretend to eat-sleep-breathe SW knowledge. I'm not canonical hardcore idealist. I gladly will accept compromises to improve gameplay over "SW-realism". Funny... word: realism, about something that is absolutely fictional and without any scientific background. Anyway...

4. Empire produced vast quantities of many, many.... hell know how many types of ships. But PR for 3 releases stuck with tiny number of space units. Considering that each major release takes 1 year+ it becoming a bit troublesome. By the time everything is finished and polished it may be year 2150. 

5. Owning important worlds (e.g. Kuat or Corellia) doesn't (at least since v 1.0 to 1.2) provide ANY unique units for either side. E.g. Kuat & Pursuit-class light cruiser.

6. New Fighter - a must. Imperial (and Rebels) fighters were plentiful with many interesting ideas that never went into mass production. It should be really player choice what he likes to produce. I don't get it why TIE-Phantom was removed. In limited numbers it should be available at Maw installation for example.

7. New Transport Delta-class JV-7 Escort Shuttle - it is one probably of two places where I could live with replacing existing unit for a new one. I don't really build these, just researching for flavor sake.

8. New Freighter - Star Galleon with a bumper income - yes please!

9. New Corvette - required. Tartan cruiser should become available galaxy-wide. Ready model is in game. I see no logical reason why it was removed, and Crusader[gunship] corvette available to build only on Mandalore.

10. Beta-class ETR-3 Escort Transport - nothing against replacement.

11. Nebulon-B2 - should become available to research after lvl 3 or 4 Nebulon-B is researched.

12. Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser - Bring it ON! No fancy argumentation required here.  Buildable on any of SFS subsidiary world.

13. Allegiance-class Star Battlecruiser - same as #12. I like idea of Tector class. Gun-platform destroyer. So I love Allegiance-class 3x as much. Open to debate shipyard lvl 4 or 5. If 5 then available to research/build right of the bat. If lvl 4 then available to research/build after lvl3 Tector is known.

[skie9173]

Raider-class Corvette: admittedly a well filled niche, but dang I think that's a good looking ship.

http://starwars.wiki...-class_corvette

[Ghostrider]

As forum works properly [for a change] then I have good reason to post in such nice thread.

 

I won't hide that voted all except Clone Wars holdovers. These belong to Rebellion, Pirates and CIS as it should be.

 

1. PR looks barren (space units-wise) when compared to number of different mods (dead or alive alike)

2. While Rebellion had certainly a lot of trouble to match Imperial-muscles they had to scavenge ships left, right and center (at least initially) - CW leftovers. I would even be for allowing Rebellion to build certain CW ships.

3. I don't pretend to eat-sleep-breathe SW knowledge. I'm not canonical hardcore idealist. I gladly will accept compromises to improve gameplay over "SW-realism". Funny... word: realism, about something that is absolutely fictional and without any scientific background. Anyway...

4. Empire produced vast quantities of many, many.... hell know how many types of ships. But PR for 3 releases stuck with tiny number of space units. Considering that each major release takes 1 year+ it becoming a bit troublesome. By the time everything is finished and polished it may be year 2150. 

5. Owning important worlds (e.g. Kuat or Corellia) doesn't (at least since v 1.0 to 1.2) provide ANY unique units for either side. E.g. Kuat & Pursuit-class light cruiser.

6. New Fighter - a must. Imperial (and Rebels) fighters were plentiful with many interesting ideas that never went into mass production. It should be really player choice what he likes to produce. I don't get it why TIE-Phantom was removed. In limited numbers it should be available at Maw installation for example.

7. New Transport Delta-class JV-7 Escort Shuttle - it is one probably of two places where I could live with replacing existing unit for a new one. I don't really build these, just researching for flavor sake.

8. New Freighter - Star Galleon with a bumper income - yes please!

9. New Corvette - required. Tartan cruiser should become available galaxy-wide. Ready model is in game. I see no logical reason why it was removed, and Crusader[gunship] corvette available to build only on Mandalore.

10. Beta-class ETR-3 Escort Transport - nothing against replacement.

11. Nebulon-B2 - should become available to research after lvl 3 or 4 Nebulon-B is researched.

12. Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser - Bring it ON! No fancy argumentation required here.  Buildable on any of SFS subsidiary world.

13. Allegiance-class Star Battlecruiser - same as #12. I like idea of Tector class. Gun-platform destroyer. So I love Allegiance-class 3x as much. Open to debate shipyard lvl 4 or 5. If 5 then available to research/build right of the bat. If lvl 4 then available to research/build after lvl3 Tector is known.

All I can say about these is that many are on our wish-list, and require suitable models. 

 

PR is NOT barren - there are a large number of different space units (I think I counted over 100 recently) all with multiple upgrades. 

We have more units in the mod than last time. 

 

Keep an eye on the news posts and you can see at least 2 of them if you look carefully. More will be revealed in time.

[Aizen Teppa]

No offense Ghost, but you're responding to a post from 21 months ago. Kind of hilarious. I know that a lot of things has changed since then. So in general pay no attention to that as we all eagerly awaiting 1.3 release.

[Zeta1127]

When 1.3 is released, I will definitely try to make an add-on that makes the Dark Troopers and TIE Phantom available through suitable conditions, though it will probably take some lua scripting to pull off.