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#1841 mrvecz

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 06:02 PM

Will the Firestorm challenge be another patience test (Like Water Cube, Heavy Object) as your base is periodically attacked by support powers (Harbinger in this case * 3) ? Or will we be able to prevent getting gang banged by three harbingers flying to our base ? Something like destroying beacons to delay them like in the Ascension challenge ?

 

What will be its unique twist aside from facing three WoC armies ?



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Posted 17 June 2018 - 06:04 PM

I have this gut feeling that Coronian aircraft in the Firestorm Challenge will be completely immune to Blasticade; otherwise, their air superiority will be ironically countered by the very defense that they own.

 

Speaking of Firestorm Challenge, since other Foehn subfaction-specific challenges (Madness and Ouroboros) feature more than 1 epic unit, will this challenge get the same treatment?

I'm sure that you must prepare for mass Harbinger...



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Posted 17 June 2018 - 08:01 PM

In the madness challenge, the timing between the waves of madman units is very inconsistent. Sometimes the delay is 5 minutes, others 5 seconds. Can it be changed so its consistent?
Also it kept saying "iron curtain activated" sometimes

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 09:03 AM

In the madness challenge, the timing between the waves of madman units is very inconsistent. Sometimes the delay is 5 minutes, others 5 seconds. Can it be changed so its consistent?
Also it kept saying "iron curtain activated" sometimes

 

IIRC madmans' arrival is quite regular, but sometimes there's an additional wave shortly after.

 

Iron curtain has no effect on madman. [insert Palpatine ironic img here]


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 11:43 AM

What I'm expecting in the upcoming Firestorm Challenge: Quicker and tougher Coronian vehicles (including the goddamn Harbinger)



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Posted 18 June 2018 - 03:37 PM

I'm expecting Eureka to be faster, have more health and have a shorter firing cooldown to skirmish Eureka.

 

Imagine if Roadrunners in this challenge had no side effect of being inactive when they ram their targets? My god, that would be overpowered...


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Posted 20 June 2018 - 02:30 AM

Imagine if Roadrunners in this challenge had no side effect of being inactive when they ram their targets? My god, that would be overpowered...

I don't need to imagine it. It was a thing once in my Nightwing Challenge. I got myself a Moltencore 2.0 with their Syckles.
 
 

What I'm expecting in the upcoming Firestorm Challenge: Quicker and tougher Coronian vehicles (including the goddamn Harbinger)

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:55 AM

I dont like the Epsilon in act 1 either, while i do understand the lore reasons, it doesn't translate to the game that well. CnC isn't really made for precise unit micro like Starcraft, for this reason i find Epsilon campaign to be the worst out of the three. Boring microfest missions with instant failure states just littered throughout the missions, i celebrated the mission where i actually got a base and i could build tanks... even if that was playing with stolen American forces... it was a relief. Same later with the Chinese base. 

 

And i played the Epsilons campaign before save and load feature and aside from Shipwrecked i couldnt finish the other missions because it was just unfun and way too time consuming with the many trials and errors. 

Some missions like... Singularity is totally beyond me and i must bow before Meister for pulling it off on youtube on mental difficulty.

 

Things got better after save and load, i actually managed to finish the Act I except Singularity, wont bother with that.

 

Well they're not technically a "faction" in Act I until late part of the story to make sense. Since the Mental Omega campaign basically merged both RA2 and YR's storyline with various changes. To note, "Yuri's faction" don't have start with no resources and had to piggyback on the Soviets until they have the needed stuff to seize power.

 

Well it is true that the Epsilon Campaign is hard as it forces the player to micro, it is kinda important for a RTS player in other aspects. Also it was difficult during the time when there was no load and save system yet.


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 03:27 PM

"Boris' uses proper weapons again on the Revolution Challenge"

 

And by proper weapons it means a rapid fire atomic cannon, similar to the Space Commando? Is this intentional?


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 04:01 PM

It wasn't, obviously


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Posted 07 July 2018 - 10:08 PM

It's somewhat incredible to me, that, despite losing half an army and homeland, waging small civil war against Chinese, the Soviets are still able to push forward and even prepare to grand siege of Moscow. On the other hand, the Allied victories are also very impressive. Seemingly, the "Yuri's tower" is his only chance to victory...



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Posted 08 July 2018 - 06:35 PM

It's somewhat incredible to me, that, despite losing half an army and homeland, waging small civil war against Chinese, the Soviets are still able to push forward and even prepare to grand siege of Moscow. On the other hand, the Allied victories are also very impressive. Seemingly, the "Yuri's tower" is his only chance to victory...

 

Soviet Union is way too large and has too many countries serving them, even if the Russia's military gets depleted, theres plenty of Soviet states still loyal to the Union who can provide troops. Soviet Union controls the Europe aside from UK, states like Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia (My country in game is called Czech Republic despite the split to two states didnt even happened yet, but hey details), Spain, Italy, Romania, Ukraine and others. While the more west they go, the less sympathetic will the people be towards USSR. They have for sure plenty of soldiers from places like Belarus, Ukraine and Romania.

 

And the US ofc, but i bet theres more people rebelling against the ordinary tyranny of communism than joining the military to fight against their own people.

The Yuri's plot for sure makes things harder if he is controlling major cities in US or Europe, but theres many of tiny places out of the reach, and the many of tiny things makes alot of soldiers in the end. Especially when the world is at stake, if Yuri wins, tyranny worse than Communism awaits.

 

Foehn might also actually become a villain in the end, either you die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain. Instead of destroying the Mental Omega they would capture it and start their own empire, start the Earth anew. Some of the actually good people in the Revolt would get triggered and the finale would be how Foehn destroys itself alongside the MO device. Meaning the world will never know who saved it, Foehn eradicates all traces of themselves this way. Leaving the world free, this would cause allies to take over the world back from the weak Soviets.

 

Or Volknet decides that it should become a god of humanity and use the device for its wicked ideals, ofc the actual humans of Revolt would get triggered and wouldnt let the world slip from tyranny controlled by a single man to tyranny controlled by machine. VN will ofc claim that it knows better than humans and that it will be kind dictator, but nobody will listen. Nobody will risk it.

 

 

Siegfried and others might not be alive at this stage, so the nations themselves will have to liberate themselves. But that shouldn't be that hard if Americans are any indicator, if rebels have access to tanks and aircraft you are in trouble...


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Posted 08 July 2018 - 07:54 PM

 

It's somewhat incredible to me, that, despite losing half an army and homeland, waging small civil war against Chinese, the Soviets are still able to push forward and even prepare to grand siege of Moscow. On the other hand, the Allied victories are also very impressive. Seemingly, the "Yuri's tower" is his only chance to victory...

 

Soviet Union is way too large and has too many countries serving them, even if the Russia's military gets depleted, theres plenty of Soviet states still loyal to the Union who can provide troops. Soviet Union controls the Europe aside from UK, states like Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia (My country in game is called Czech Republic despite the split to two states didnt even happened yet, but hey details), Spain, Italy, Romania, Ukraine and others. While the more west they go, the less sympathetic will the people be towards USSR. They have for sure plenty of soldiers from places like Belarus, Ukraine and Romania.

 

And the US ofc, but i bet theres more people rebelling against the ordinary tyranny of communism than joining the military to fight against their own people.

The Yuri's plot for sure makes things harder if he is controlling major cities in US or Europe, but theres many of tiny places out of the reach, and the many of tiny things makes alot of soldiers in the end. Especially when the world is at stake, if Yuri wins, tyranny worse than Communism awaits.

 

Foehn might also actually become a villain in the end, either you die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain. Instead of destroying the Mental Omega they would capture it and start their own empire, start the Earth anew. Some of the actually good people in the Revolt would get triggered and the finale would be how Foehn destroys itself alongside the MO device. Meaning the world will never know who saved it, Foehn eradicates all traces of themselves this way. Leaving the world free, this would cause allies to take over the world back from the weak Soviets.

 

Or Volknet decides that it should become a god of humanity and use the device for its wicked ideals, ofc the actual humans of Revolt would get triggered and wouldnt let the world slip from tyranny controlled by a single man to tyranny controlled by machine. VN will ofc claim that it knows better than humans and that it will be kind dictator, but nobody will listen. Nobody will risk it.

 

 

Siegfried and others might not be alive at this stage, so the nations themselves will have to liberate themselves. But that shouldn't be that hard if Americans are any indicator, if rebels have access to tanks and aircraft you are in trouble...

 

In act 2, soviets mostly rely on Latin Confederation for their tasks, because Russia's millitary is crippled and China minds their own business, which is making new weapons.

 

Foehn wouldn't dispute over the MO device. It would go against their sole purpose: to free the world from Yuri's insidious army. Although it's possible Volknet could go rogue, and make it's own faction.

 

The entire Allied army in Antarctica is going to die or will get mindcontrolled by Yuri, that's pretty much what everyone thinks is going to happen in the end.



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Posted 08 July 2018 - 09:52 PM

Umm, actually, the "Paranoia" indicates, that Latin Confedaration got overrun too. Besides, Yuri's Epsilon made advances not only in SSRs themselves, but in Soviet-occupied Europe as well(Italy, Norway, Sweden, Germany, Romania, Spain, France even).The S.S.A is seemingly Soviet current base of operations, thanks to the Chicago Amplifier, keeping Epsilon forces pinned down there. So, this is their only source of reinforcements, and they have to deal with army possesing mind control and cloning technology. Even with those Cyborgs, turning the tide is quite impressive.



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Posted 08 July 2018 - 09:56 PM

In act 2, soviets mostly rely on Latin Confederation for their tasks, because Russia's millitary is crippled and China minds their own business, which is making new weapons.

 

 

 

 

Foehn wouldn't dispute over the MO device. It would go against their sole purpose: to free the world from Yuri's insidious army. Although it's possible Volknet could go rogue, and make it's own faction.

 

The entire Allied army in Antarctica is going to die or will get mindcontrolled by Yuri, that's pretty much what everyone thinks is going to happen in the end.

 

I highly doubt they'd do such a move without a backup plan, maybe they will try to chronosphere a section of the paradox engine away and you have to defend it in the last mission ? (we've got 2 missions still that imply bad luck)



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Posted 09 July 2018 - 01:57 AM

 

In act 2, soviets mostly rely on Latin Confederation for their tasks, because Russia's millitary is crippled and China minds their own business, which is making new weapons.

 

 

 

 

Foehn wouldn't dispute over the MO device. It would go against their sole purpose: to free the world from Yuri's insidious army. Although it's possible Volknet could go rogue, and make it's own faction.

 

The entire Allied army in Antarctica is going to die or will get mindcontrolled by Yuri, that's pretty much what everyone thinks is going to happen in the end.

 

I highly doubt they'd do such a move without a backup plan, maybe they will try to chronosphere a section of the paradox engine away and you have to defend it in the last mission ? (we've got 2 missions still that imply bad luck)

 

and just how would do go about doing that? It's not even feasibly possible to do such a thing........



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Posted 09 July 2018 - 04:37 AM

Foehn Ex Machina to the rescue?

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:39 AM

 

 

In act 2, soviets mostly rely on Latin Confederation for their tasks, because Russia's millitary is crippled and China minds their own business, which is making new weapons.

 

 

 

 

Foehn wouldn't dispute over the MO device. It would go against their sole purpose: to free the world from Yuri's insidious army. Although it's possible Volknet could go rogue, and make it's own faction.

 

The entire Allied army in Antarctica is going to die or will get mindcontrolled by Yuri, that's pretty much what everyone thinks is going to happen in the end.

 

I highly doubt they'd do such a move without a backup plan, maybe they will try to chronosphere a section of the paradox engine away and you have to defend it in the last mission ? (we've got 2 missions still that imply bad luck)

 

and just how would do go about doing that? It's not even feasibly possible to do such a thing........

 

how is anything feasible to do in this game ? ;)

if you're telling me a 19 year old girl can design a faction and lead them on their own then anything can happen at this point. :p



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Posted 09 July 2018 - 08:00 AM

Why is it that if there is an AI in a game or anything, it HAS to go rouge? I feel like this plot point is overused.
I feel like volknet wont go rouge, partly because you are him

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:03 AM

From what I remember in one of the Foehn Revolt's release teaser, "Destroy Babel" and "Take Mental Omega Device" were flashed. I'm certain that they need to destroy the Babel that probably protects the MO Device, but why they would capture it? Are they trying to disable it or capture it for themselves?






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