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[Kaieman]

The Mirkwood plan is getting more exciting and interesting.

I like the new powers for Legolas and Feren and also the addition of Galion. If Grimbeorn would be a permanent hero, they will have the most badass heroes of the mod.

[Narthil]

You've definatly split up from the ideas presented in the movies, so far, I see no similarities in the structures at all. This is a nice thing to do an requires a lot of thinking on your own.

 

I really like that. If one would've gone with a little more movie oriented structures I would've had a lot of ideas for that. One core idea would've been to alter mirkwoods base defense by including a new mechanic. Would've been really hard to do, maybe not even possible but I thought about an upgrade for all mirkwood structures which  would connect the structure with a wooden root if the distance between them wasn't too big.

The roots would be host to 2-3 archers. As a reference one could just look at the mirkwood halls where some roots are used as paths to connect different areas or the river escape scenes where the archers use existing branches to chase behind the dwarfs/kill orcs on the move. The "buff" towards the mirkwood base is neglegable since the archer range/damage does not change the tides in a seege scenario. If one wanted to make this a buff to the mirkwood base defense the archers would just get a boost in their numbers. Still wouldn't change anything against siege weapons but just a minor buff against normal units.

 

Mirkwood fortress could be based on a rock-ish texture, front shows the gate we've seen in the movies, left side is basically solid rock, so is the back (round shape) and the right side could be similar to the wall where the dwarfes are stopped during their escape. Upgrades will be thranduils throne which appears in the middle of the fortress, wooden roots hosting a few archers (like the lothlorien upgrade), another upgrade adds a smaller watchtower to the outside wall/rock and the last upgrade adds two similar watchtowers connected by  a stone arch on top of the rock on the left. Additional Upgrades like banners and minor things are to be thought off...

 

Did a small scetch for it, if interested I could upload. But I take it you've already made a pretty clear layout for the fraction which clearly differs from my ideas. I really look forward to all the stuff you do with this race.

[Thranduil_King]

Greetings creators and designers of this mod

 

This is the factions that i wait too much, elves of mirkwood (sindar/silvans) my favourite. For this only i have questions and ideas:

 

1) See elves mounted in deers like Thranduil

2) See Radagast mounted a car style Santa Claus (like the movie xD) haha, i know, strange but, looks funny

3) See Thranduil be very stronger 

 

Another thing i want to say is... why you said this "have very low armor and will struggle early game", many silvan elves used to live in Lothlorien than Mirkwood; I know, many Mirkwood elves died in the battle of the last alliance for being badly armed, this was because of Oropher for going reluctantly to the battle and doing what he wanted without thinking, i do not think Thranduil would have committed the same error, although Galadriel lived in Lothlorien and she was an elven Noldor, it does not make it appear that the greatest number of Sindar elves living in the Mirkwood were weak to comparison. Or I do not know why the reason for making them weaker. In conclusion i see elves of mirwood more dangerous (as you said) and more powerfull than Lothlorien (Galadriel and Celeborn do not count xD) because more Silvan elves were of Lothlorien and Sindar of Mirkwood.

 

By now is all that i remember... that's just ideas and tips, i hope you do not take this wrong.

 

Love this mod.

[Mathijs]

@Narthil

Interestingly, the fortress I ended up making has several similarities to what you suggest. Great minds...

 

@Thranduil_King

There won't be Elk-riders... I just don't like the idea, and it has no basis in Tolkien. Two strikes, they're out. Radagast will absolutely not ride a bunny-sled, either. Thranduil will be a very powerful hero, of course.

 

As to them having low armor - the idea is that their basic units are Silvan elves dressed in cloth and leather. It's also a gameplay element. Each faction needs its own strengths and weaknesses. Mirkwood's basic units will be 'glass cannons', high damage, low armor. Thranduil has a power that can give them heavy armor though.

[Three Elven Rings]

HI!

I saw that there was no heavy armor in Mirkwood at the forge.

The beginner Greenwood Warrior could have a similar fabric cloth.

She/He would just look like she/he would wear brown or green cloaks and clothes.

[Three Elven Rings]

[Three Elven Rings]

I made some Mirkwood buildings.

I hope you will benefit.

 

Double guard

(New Thranduil or Spellbook power)

Guards for protecting the building. (3 silvan rangers and 2 palace guard)

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[OdoProudfoot]

I have an idea for the exterior look of the treasury (or maybe just a map prop): A circular colonnade topped by a tree stump, with its roots coming down the WETA's Mirkwood styled pillars.

 

https://imgur.com/uzJaOHd

https://imgur.com/hYAKcDC

[beegnyss]

Maybe add Bilbo as ring hero for Mirkwood?

[Minh Kudo]

For Radagast hero, I think it's better if his mount (level 1) is eagle not horse. It may be more powerful because the cost is high (3000).
Thoa

[beegnyss]

I think having a flying beast toggle is worth the cost of the Witch King

[Three Elven Rings]

This is it

 

Hunting Lodge – 300

Resource structure

Special power: Enhanced Protection -500

Guards for protecting the building. (2 Palace Guard and 3 Silvan Ranger)

 

 

Training Grounds - 300

Rank 1: Silvan Rangers - 350 (Faradrim - Hunters)

May receive Greenwood Banners and Silvan Fletching upgrades. Can stealth near trees.

At rank 1, toggle weapon: dagger/bow

At rank 3, Silvan Rangers gain Evasion. Briefly increases armor and knockback resistance.

 

Rank 1: Silvan Wardens - 300 (Thelamaethyr – Spear-warriors)

May receive Greenwood Banners, Silvan Steel upgrades. Can stealth near trees.

At rank 3, Silvan Wardens gain Evasion. Briefly increases armor and knockback resistance.

 

Rank 2: Silvan Outriders – 500 (Gwairochyn – Wild-riders)

May receive Greenwood Banners, Silvan Steel and Silvan Fletching upgrades. Can stealth near trees.

At rank 1, toggle weapon: spear/bow

At rank 3, Silvan Outriders gain Evasion. Briefly increases armor and knockback resistance.

 

 

Royal Barracks - 600

Rank 1: Greenwood Warriors - 700 (Maethyr - Warriors)

May enter Skirmish formation, increasing damage at the cost of movement speed.

May receive Greenwood Banners, Silvan Steel and Silvan Fletching upgrades.

At rank 1, may toggle between bow and sword.

At rank 3, Danna pilin (arrow volley)

Greenwood Warriors gain Longshot power.

 

 

Rank 2: Greenwood Spears - 600 (Theladagnyr - Spear-slayer)

May enter Shield Wall, increasing armor at the cost of movement speed.

May receive Greenwood Banners, Silvan Steel and upgrades.

 

Rank 2: Greenwood Blade-master -750 (Double-blade polearmer)

May receive Greenwood Banners, Silvan Steel and upgrades.

At rank 3, The First to Fight

Greenwood Blade-master gain +50% damage at a cost of -25% armor.

 

Rank 3: Palace Guards -  1000 (Tamastirnyr - Hall-watchers)

May receive Greenwood Banners upgrade.

At rank 2, Ribo i thrangail! (rush the shield-fence)

Nearby allied units gain 20% armor .

At rank 3, Berio i nand a garas! (protect the valley and the city)

Palace Guards garnting nearby structures +150% armor.

At rank 5, Home Defender

Palace Guards temporarily gains +75% attack damage for 30 sec.

 

Rank 3: Ballista - 800 (Haehadron - Distant Thrower)

 

 

Thranduil's Treasury - 1200

Special power: Enhanced Protection- 500

Guards for protecting the building. (2 Palace Guard and 3 Silvan Ranger)

 

Rank 1: Greenwood Banners - 300

Allows the upgrading of units to rank 2.

Rank 1: Silvan Steel - 800

Allows the upgrading of melee units to increase attack damage and attack speed.

Rank 2: Silvan Fletching - 800

Allows the upgrading of ranged units to increase attack damage and range.

 

 

 

Beorning Cabin -700

Rank 1: Animal Husbandry – passive

Resource structure bonus

 

Rank 1: Woodsmen Axes

 

Rank 2: Beorning Berserker -800

At rank 2, Animal friend

Beorning Berserkers will rapidly recover health outside of combat. 

At rank 4, Skin-changing

Beorning Berserkers changing bear for a short time.

 

Rank 2: Battering Ram - 400 (Drambor - Clenched Fist)

Beorning holding in his hand of a wooden battering ram.

 

Woodland Lookout -400

Guard tower

Silvan Fletching -200

Special power: Enhanced Protection -500

Guards for protecting the building. (2 Palace Guard and 3 Silvan Ranger)

 

Well of Wine -300

Healing well

Special power: Enhanced Protection -500

Guards for protecting the building. (2 Palace Guard and 3 Silvan Ranger)

 

Statue of Oropher -300

Leadership statue

Special power: Enhanced Protection -500

Guards for protecting the building. (2 Palace Guard and 3 Silvan Ranger)

 

 

 

Mirkwood Fortress - Upgrades

 

Mirkwood Fortress - Expansions

Lookout - 150

Arrow tower.

Secret outlet -400

Elven guard attack nearby enemy.

Poison winebarrel-700

Pour poison on the enemy.

 

Misc

Elvenking’s Guard – 1200 (Eraintirio – King’s Guard)

Hero Unit, recruitable from Fortress

At rank 1, Guardian of the Realm

Thranduil and Legolas  passively gain bonus damage around them.

At rank 2, King Favour

Elvenking’s Guard receive a bonus to damage but receive a small damage to their armor.

At rank 5, Special Senses

A powerful strike that the nearby enemy units temporarily lose -33% armor. Become immune to fear.

Edited by Three Elven Rings, 25 December 2018 - 10:12 PM.

[YE4M4N]

Will Grimbeorn be able to transform into a bear??

[OdoProudfoot]

Since Greenwood's plan is not yet adapted to the new resource structure system, here's an idea (if that's even possible).

Mirkwood has only 3 unit upgrades - Greenwood banners, Silvan Steel and Silvan Fletching - when most factions have 4 (or even 5, in Erebor's case). So how about making Thranduil's Treausry, on top of decreasing the cost of updates, decrease the reload time of Thranduil's "Love of Silver and Jewels"?

[OakenShield224]

15 - Men of the Carrock - Unlocks Grimbeorn in the Fortress.

Grimbeorn's New Powers:

Toll-Keepers - target building is protected by a trio of Beorning Berserkers for a small time but has slightly reduced production.

 

Woodsmen of the Anduin - summons a Beorning Cabin in the target area which will earn resources, boost resource production of nearby buildings and can summon hordes of woodsmen to attack structures. 

[Minh Kudo]

About Palace Guard, Solemn Duty power is similar to Foutain Guard and Royal Guard of Rohan. I think it will be more interesting if you chance a little bit. Maybe they will be buffed when fighting at Mirkwood base, near the castle...instead of increasing structure's amour. Ty!

Edited by Minh Kudo, 29 May 2019 - 04:59 PM.

[Three Elven Rings]

Gilded Guard of Lasgalen powers:

 

Rank 1. Eryn Lasgalen

Greenwood- wariors ,glaives and slayers units gain bonuses.

 

Rank 2. Helping Hands

Healing power

 

Rank 4. Heirloom Gems

Dealing heavy damage to all Dwarves and Orcs. When activated nearby orcs and dwarves lose -25% speed.

 

Rank 6. A Light in the Darkness

The starlight stuns nearby enemies. When activated the Gilded Guard of Lasgalen armors shines.

[LittleCritter]

I made some changes for the SPELLBOOK, take a look:

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5 - Horn of the Gate - Warchant

5 - Hidden Sentries - Reveals a part of the map.

5 – The Enchanted River – Summons an enchanted river in a small area that makes passive units for 10s. (New)

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10 - Forest's Path - Nearby enemy units are 75% slowed in a big area for 12s (changed)

10 - Woodland's Feast - Summons one of Thranduil's woodland feast. Units near it, consume it & healing in time during 12s. (changed)

10 - Impaling Trap - Units within the radius receive 30% damage, ignoring armor, each sec during 12s. (changed)

10 - Elvenking’s Decree – Units collect resources upon kills.

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15 - Spears of Framsburg - Summons an army of Eotheod commanded by Frumgar, son of Frumgar

15 - Silvan Boots - Makes the Mirkwood units able to cross uncrossable terrain for 15s. (changed)

15 - Men of the Carrock - Unlocks the Beornings - Beorning patrols now protect Orchards

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25 – Hail of Arrows – Instantaneous volley of Silvan arrows in a huge area, dealing 300% damage. (redescribed, mirkwood elves are the best archers)

25 - We've Lost the Path! - Enemy units caught in the radius are severely debuffed & start infighting for 30s. (changed)

Edited by LittleCritter, 18 June 2019 - 03:03 PM.

[Mathijs]

The spells being named after the Elvenking is very, very deliberate and not up for change. Mirkwood is a faction that's very focused on its central hero.

[LittleCritter]

The spells being named after the Elvenking is very, very deliberate and not up for change. Mirkwood is a faction that's very focused on its central hero.

I assumed that it was made in some purpose, but, for me it felt a bit redundant, so, i wanted to give other names, conserving the same meaning.