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#21 isaac103

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Posted 24 June 2017 - 11:28 PM

My take on the Foehn origin missions is as follows:

 

1) Nobody Home: The Proto-Foehn forces (consisting of what Foehn units we saw in "Noise Severe") led by Yunru attack an Epsilon base in Kashmir while the bulk of their defense forces are busy fighting elsewhere during the events of "Noise Severe". After the mission is complete Siegfried and his Chrono Legion chronoshift in. Siegfried has recognized that the Allies and the Soviets will lose to Epsilon unless they unite but has failed to convince the Allied leaders to seek a temporary alliance with the Soviets and as such has taken matters in his own hands, using his Chrono Legion to convince isolated, leaderless pockets of Allied and Soviet forces (including some Kanegawa Industries scientists still trapped in Japan, explaining how the Jackal Racer got into Foehn hands) to converge on a hidden base in Point Hope, Alaska which will serve as a staging ground for a "revolt should Yuri's epsilon army prevail over the free world." Yunru accepts his proposal and her small army is chronoshifted away (explaining Foehn's access to the units and the nano-technology that created them).

 

2) Kill the Messenger: One soldier in Bastion base deserts and attempts to make either the Allies and Soviets aware of the Bastion base's location. Not wanting the location of the base to be compromised, the player is tasked with finding and neutralizing him before he can rendezvous with his side's forces as they patrol the area.

 

During the mission the player is given brief snippets as to what is happening during the events of the final missions of Act 2 maybe in the form of scattered communications that Foehn's advanced cyberkernels can just barely detect. 

 

The "Conscious Slumber" may refer to how most of the free world is no longer in control of their free will, and is now under control Yuri's control. With a vast majority living their lives not thinking for themselves but for Yuri, the event might be hinting that the Mental Omega Device, rather than using brute-force mind control, inhibits free thinking of the many affected and links them to a semi-hivemind, living out their fantasies and desires as the rest of the world withers in the psionic storms that ensue (a probable side effect of the Mental Omega Device).

 

As somebody else already pointed out "Babel" the final Epsilon mission's name does not refer to the Babylon tower but the event when God forced everyone to speak a different language and broke man's unity. Maybe the Mental Omega Device gets damaged in the fight (or maybe it was never going to work as intended due to a design flaw) and malfunctions, instead of creating a global human hive mind led by Yuri as a hive queen, the Device instead creates the Conscious Slumber as described by Sven and psionic storms that wipe out most of Epsilon's leadership including Yuri and the Player's Proselyte.

 

As the player discovers this mess, we finally arrive at:

 

3) The Remnant: The player is given the task of linking up with the damaged Paradox Engine and survivors from a Soviet naval fleet in the aftermath of Act 2. One of my longstanding theories about the final missions of Act 2 has been that the Paradox Engine will malfunction at the worst possible time and deny the Allies victory as their "Hamartia", their fatal flaw that leads to their downfall, is their over-reliance on the Engine and its temporal manipulation abilities.

 

As a result the survivors are brought into the fold, temporal manipulation technology is deemed too unreliable for Foehn to continue to use but the Engine's prototype wind manipulation tech that enables it to fly (my explanation for the vortex underneath its in-game model) is still viable to develop and improve upon (hence the Tempest Architect, the Windblades, the Windtraps and the Zorbtrotters). The Engine is repaired and re-christened "Coronia" (I agree with Sven that this is the likeliest origin for the thing) and the Foehn Revolt is finally created to find a way to destroy the Mental Omega Device and succeed where Foehn's predecessors could not and defeat the remaining Epsilon forces that now control most of the planet, leading to the Foehn Campaign.

So I'm under the impression that the mission Kill The Messenger will involve a traitorous soldier? I wonder how will that go about? 

 

"During the mission the player is given brief snippets as to what is happening during the events of the final missions of Act 2 maybe in the form of scattered communications that Foehn's advanced cyberkernels can just barely detect. "

Will these messages start popping up as soon we build the Cyberkernels?

 

Also wondering if the first mission Nobody Home will be a units only mission or will we have access to a base?



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 02:14 AM

Just another idea regarding Nobody Home.

 

Foehn might be stealing technology for railguns from Epsilon. The Mastodon prototypes that we see in the side 4 preview aren't equipped with a railgun at all, rather, it's some kind of conventional cannon or perhaps a nuclear weapon like Nuwas. 

 

Foehn railguns fling plasma, which is just electrically charged gas. One way railguns can propel this plasma is through magnets, which PsiCorps has used extensively in their arsenal. 



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 08:23 AM

So we're potentially talking about a traitor in Epsilon's forces? Perhaps Scorpion Cell upon finding out Yuri's true purpose for world domination?



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 08:48 AM

doesn't really have to be a traitor, can be just an inside agent.



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 12:40 PM

doesn't really have to be a traitor, can be just an inside agent.

Ah, fun! Always enjoyed seeing people on the inside helping to achieve their employer's objectives.

 

- I am still wondering if the mission Nobody Home will give us access to a base or are we stuck with just units? Hopefully we get access to a prototype Foehn base. 



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 01:18 PM

We might get a modified Soviet faction with Knightframes, Lancers, Cyborg Vanguard's and such instead of typical Soviet units.

I'm curious if we're going to get Windbelts. I'm aware that it was removed because of balance issues, bad interactions with the Wallbusters, etc, but surely those problems won't show up against campaign AI?

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Posted 25 June 2017 - 01:58 PM

I hope too that Windbelts will be a thing in the campaign.



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:24 AM

In light of the new missions added in 3.3.2, I can safely say that my earlier post about what the first Foehn Origin mission will be is wrong. After playing the mission Thread of Dread, I can assume that most or all of the proto-Foehn tech that Yunru has developed, including the nanites, have been sealed for the time being, along with herself. Thus I am to believe that the mission "Nobody Home" is rather a search and rescue type of mission, one where attempted recovery of Yunru's projects from the aftermath of the earlier stated mission, and quite possibly Yunru herself could have survived all of that. Though this is speculation at best due to several reasons: 

 

1. Like the mission goes along in the end, I myself could not confirm what took down the Centurion. It was mostly fighting in the shrouded areas of the map before I could get to it.

2. We cannot say for certain whether or not Yunru was in the Chinese Military Headquarters or was in the tunnel (leading to a probable bunker of some kind), as the mission leaves that in the air.

3. The MIDAS blowing everything up in the end was a real surprise to me, but I also could not tell whether it blew up in the Chinese Military Headquarters via remote detonation or was fired into the battlefield, or blew up in said tunnel. 

 

I for one honestly hope Yunru is found alive in the Origin missions, but that is my opinion. Also, RIP Morales. Never expected him to die off this way.

 

What do you guys think?


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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:32 AM

Now that I saw Thread of Dread, I can think of two potential ways for the mission Nobody Home to go:

 

Yunru field-testing her cyborgs on Epsilon troops and setting up the very base destroyed during this mission.

 

VOLKNET after Thread of Dread, eliminating whatever Soviet and Epsilon remains are in the area, and saving Yunru.



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:18 PM

remember that someone (which we probably all assume it's Yunru) said :  "you won't take my home".
there was a farmhouse with 2 silos walled with Foehn windbelts in the middle of the fortress that made no sense to be there, unless it's Yunru's original home where she was taken from her parents ?



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:26 PM

Kashmir isn't really a Chinese location. I'm of the opinion that VOLKNET was the one doing the nuking here.



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 09:17 PM

I'm pretty sure that was Yunru's home, yes.



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Posted 16 July 2017 - 01:37 AM

It would make sense if VOLKNET said "you won't take my home". Maybe the Mainframe is VOLKNET's digital "home" and he's destroying the Russians trying to hack into him. The only issue is that it doesn't explain the weird house.

But I'm 90% sure that it's Yunru's home, but there are little details that throw me off.

First, Kashmir isn't Chinese, it's an Indian state, so why is it Yunru's home?

Second, Yunru is an oddity in the battlefield because she's an underaged girl. If "you won't take my home" was a voice message, then it would pretty obvious if a young girl was talking to you. So there's no need for ??? because it's clearly Yunru. It's hard to tell if the message was voiced or just text though.

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 03:50 AM

Yunru is actually Indian *mindblown*


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#35 Solais

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:58 AM

Actually, she's no longer underage in the time of Act 2. (At least in most countries.)



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Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:21 AM

 I'm speculating that the walled off farmhouse could be their home, and that her parents moved to India for some reason. Probably to keep her out of communist Chinese control, which failed in the end. But that's my two cents on the topic. 


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 07:48 PM

So I saw that the mission The Remnant has been changed to Vision. Anyone got a reasoning as to why the name change all of a sudden?

 

EDIT: Spelling mistake. :p My bad 


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:12 PM

Actually it's Vision..., like if it would be too long of a title.


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:11 PM

Actually it's Vision..., like if it would be too long of a title.

Hmmm......Now I am curious as to whether or not this will be a new mission altogether or just replacing the old one The Remnant



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Posted 16 July 2017 - 10:36 PM

 

Actually it's Vision..., like if it would be too long of a title.

Hmmm......Now I am curious as to whether or not this will be a new mission altogether or just replacing the old one The Remnant

 

To be honest, the "Remnant" sounds way cooler that "Vision", but then again, it could signify something. Makes me think that it might have the mission pseudo-script an into the future vision for Yuri. That or it could represent that the collective minds of the surviving factions in the aftermath of the Mental Omega war finally come to terms and form the groundwork for what would become Foehn Revolt. 

 

On a side note, from what I can see from the Allied and Soviet side of the Act Two missions, it makes me think that they will be going their separate ways of dealing with Yuri, with the Allies preparing for an invasion, and the Soviets dealing with Yuri's moon base (from what I can tell from the upcoming Soviet missions) and readying the "Death's Hand"  to take out Yuri and the Allies in one swoop. One last guess is that the Allies's "Hamartia" is connected to the Soviet's "Death's Hand", but that's where I'll stop for now till I see what you guys think.


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