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[chemical ali]

Yeah the policy of paying kids to die so they can learn is not good, in the UK they are doing it when you go to Uni and then go to Iraq. Several ex students have been in and I expect more recruiters nearer to the exams in the summer.

[Ash]

...or you could pay your way.

[Comrade Kal]

Or you could get a student loan, use the money to get through University, get a comfortable job, then use the extra money you get from the job to pay back the student loan.

Simple really.

[Andre27]

The thing i don't get is: Why are you bitching about Thatcher. She's been out of office for a long time now.

It's over, life with it.

What's next, i know let's protest against the way Rooseveld went about getting the USA back on track after the great depression.

[Comrade Kal]

Oh well, Andre, I suppose you would have us cancel history from schools, burn all books, and forget anything that happened more than a year ago. Is that it?

Anyway, Thatcher's arsing up of the country is still felt today.

[Andre27]

Oh well, Andre, I suppose you would have us cancel history from schools, burn all books, and forget anything that happened more than a year ago. Is that it?

Anyway, Thatcher's arsing up of the country is still felt today.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

History is a part of your country and yourself, but bitching about events in the past doesn't help.

I could start ranting about the socialist cabinets in the netherlands from the 1970's forwards or about the ruins from the purple coalition less than 10 years ago, but the fact is ranting and complaining doesn't help.
In fact it only works counterproductive because those complaining see themselves as victims, no longer as people who can make their own choices/ mistakes to learn from history.

[Comrade Kal]

Well go on and do it if you want, no-ones going to stop you. But people know a lot more about Thatcher.

[Andre27]

However if you want to discuss the "Iron Lady" just make sure both sides get equel attention http://www.margarett...s/economics.php

Not all the desissions made by Thatcher were popular, but one might (fairly) argue that Britain might be in a far worse state today if "she" had NOT made those tough calls.

[Comrade Kal]

Any economic decisions she made couldn't outweigh Black Wednesday.

[Andre27]

You claim that "Black Wednesday" was a HUGE disaster which in fact it wasn't.

Don't believe me? Just check: http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/2259648.stm

Edit: Also check http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/4249425.stm

Edited by Andre27, 13 March 2005 - 09:00 PM.

[Comrade Kal]

Well i'm afraid Margaret Thatcher didn't make any HUGE economical decisions for the better.

The Young Ones put it better than I ever could:

Hitler: Yes - it's true! I'm pregnant and you're the father Stalin! Oh no! I'm having a baby! (Produces baby from under jacket) It's a girl - what will we call it?
All: MRS THATCHER!

[Andre27]

Sarcasm doesn't turn the discussion in your advantage.

It can be said that Thatcher was a product of the 2nd WW, but so are ALL persons under the age of 80.

You say she didn't make any huge economical decisions for the better, how do you call taking care of the unions which held GB in their stranglehold then?

English economy was lacking at that time and "the iron lady" did what she had to do to get it back on track. Had she NOT done that, than Britain's economy would have never recovered.

It's plain to see, at least for those with their eyes open.

[Shine On]

Sarcasm doesn't turn the discussion in your advantage.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes it does

English economy was lacking at that time and "the iron lady" did what she had to do to get it back on track. Had she NOT done that, than Britain's economy would have never recovered.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The British Enconomy never has recovered because of her. All she was interested in doing was making both herself and her party have as many advantages and money as possible.

Just take a look at the house of lords, the vast majority of them are concervatives. That's why very few laws manage to get passed whilst labour has been in power. And if they are passed then they altered so much then there is no-longer any point of the law in the end.

Edited by Xeno, 14 March 2005 - 08:48 AM.

[Mastermind]

Sarcasm doesn't turn the discussion in your advantage.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes it does

English economy was lacking at that time and "the iron lady" did what she had to do to get it back on track. Had she NOT done that, than Britain's economy would have never recovered.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The British Enconomy never has recovered because of her. All she was interested in doing was making both herself and her party have as many advantages and money as possible.

Just take a look at the house of lords, the vast majority of them are concervatives. That's why very few laws manage to get passed whilst labour has been in power. And if they are passed then they altered so much then there is no-longer any point of the law in the end.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Andre at least provided a link to prove his statements. Yours are nothing more than conjecture...

[Comrade Kal]

He provided a link, but it proved nothing. At least Xeno isn't talking complete rubbish. Anyway, there seems to have been a tremendous misunderstanding. I didn't know that "handling" meant the same as "beating", "suppressing" and "attacking with senseless violence".

[Mastermind]

Did you even bother reading the link? It seems to be a pretty good analysis stating that Black Wednesday that you are making such a huge deal wasn't nearly as bad as you are making it out to be....

[chemical ali]

No one was beaten, or suppressed on black wenesday, all that happened was we lost a few billion to prop up the pound, nothing else happened.

[Comrade Kal]

Bloody hell, Ali, how thick can you get? I was NOT referring to black wednesday when I said that.

[Tom]

No one was beaten, or suppressed on black wenesday, all that happened was we lost a few billion to prop up the pound, nothing else happened.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And the effects are still being felt today.

One link on the BBC, which we know is pretty much Pro-conservative does not prove a point. Point is Black Wednesday DID alot more damage than that links suggests. Sure it had a few adantages after, and makes labour look like it is doing good, which it is in some aspects, but black wednesday caused pensions to crash and now our country is having a pension crisis, taxes are being risen to cover all lack of funding and people (especially the pensioners) are blaming labour for it, thus conservatives are getting the support when they caused the problem in the first place. Its the conservatives who caused many of the problems, but people are so stupid and blame labour for it. They are too short sighted to see that many of these problems go back to thatchers gov. The out of control asylum situation is both labours and the conservatives fault however, they both ignored it until its too late. Now they reckon theres hundreds of potential terrorists and fundamentalists running lose around the country. So labour just done the stupid thing of proposing new anti-terror laws, and i can see where that will lead too... UK Patriot Act... Wooooh. Its coming, get ready for Americanisation People...

[chemical ali]

Its already happening........ the terror bill is preaty radical and smashes all beliefs of democracy that were founded in the 1600's in the Civil War.