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#321 7th_Panzer

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 12:59 PM

Just because it is old does not mean its no longer king in its field. The massive gun is designed for one thing only: eating tanks. The JSF will be a poor compromise.

And the B-52 is much older than the A-10 and its still a very viable bomber, right?

An idea just occurred to me. Roles of aircraft are often muddled, with the Air Force wanting people to believe that a single plane can fill many nitches. This has usually proven to be quite false; the F-4 Phantom, in Vietnam, was often used as a Close Air Support plane, Air Superiority, bombing, recon, et cetera. Some of these missions require the same performance. For example, an Air Superiority plane and recon plane both might be expected to have high altitute and high speed performance. However, when a high speed plane is tasked with CAS missions, the compromise is not as ideal.

CAS planes have to possess a few qualities to make them successful. The P-47 Thunderbolt, the A-10 Thunderbolt II and (maybe) the Su-25 Frogfoot are all well protected. The A-10 has over 900lbs of titanium protecting the cockpit and vital areas. In addition, the plane is completely symmetrical in that if a rudder, engine or most any other part needs to be replaced, a single part can replace both the let and the right missing pieces. The other quality needed is low speed and high maneuverability. The low speed allows it to prosecute slow moving targets, such as tanks, while the maneuverability not only protects it against anti-aircraft fire, it allows the plane to have a frightingly small turn radius so it can make a second pass very quickly.

The F-35 may possess the maneuverability. Does it have a low stall speed, and is it well protected? This data has not been released, or if it has, is it on par with the A-10? If not, can the A-10 be upgraded to make it useful into the 21st century? Sure. The B-52 will probably still be flying into the 2030s and 2040s, almost a century after it was first introduced.

The specific mission of the A-10 does not need stealth, nor high speed. All the mission requires is a mean, slow plane with a terrible bite.

Edited by 7th_Panzer, 15 September 2005 - 06:31 PM.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 08:15 PM

Yeah, now that I think of it, the JSF would be horrible at CAS.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:02 PM

good point

In real life is the A-10 bigger or smaller than a Raptor? I heard that it was smaller. If it is the same size, shrink the model to fit the airfield.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:09 PM

Wingspan is longer.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:21 PM

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:27 PM

Ok, I agree. What's that got to do with an F22?
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:28 PM

I was wondering that too.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:29 PM

Yeah. OVERLORDS, you have a gift for spamming. We still love ya, though (in a brotherly way!).
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:31 PM

Is there enough of a dif between the A-10 and F-22 to require a bigger airfield?
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:40 PM

Eh, A10 is a pretty big plane. F22, although also big, is much smaller than an A10. Hard to say, though.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:41 PM

I don't think the 22 is a whole lot smaller than the 10.
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 12:06 AM

A10 Wings : 57ft 6in
A10 Length: 53 ft 4 in

F22 Wings: 44ft 6in
F22 Length: 62 ft 1in

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 01:09 AM

13 ft difference. Maybe the spaces on the airfield can be a bit wider, cuz I would hate to see it unavailable because of 13 feet.
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 01:15 AM

Now, my question is, who would you give the A-10 to? SuperWeapon General? Or Airforce?

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 01:21 AM

I'd say Air Force, since it's a joint project between them and the Army. Plus, Air Force should get the new aircraft except the Aurora Alpha or whatever.
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 03:14 AM

The other thing about the A-10: VERY SHORT TAKE OFF RUN. It was designed to operate with very little maintenance, very little support and can take off of dirt runways. I believe the A-10 and the F-16 are very close in their take off runs, about 600ft or so.

So, the size of the plane would not matter as much. It can take off places where the F-22 would not be able to taxi.

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 11:47 AM

F-22 has Thrust vectoring, so it prob. has a pretty short take off run too.

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 02:01 PM

Can it take off of dirt runways?
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 02:33 PM

No way. Jets need smoothe surfaces.
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 08:12 PM

I wouldn't quite say that. A-10 certainly can.




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