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[Karlos Vandango]

well the this is what i think the differnce is



army conecentrates on gorund procedures

and the marine corp contates on land sea and air

[7th_Panzer]

I'm no genius, by any stretch. Unless of course that was ment sarcastically.

Today, (in Iraq), the difference between the Army and the Marine Corps is negligible.

According to history and their respective doctrines, I think that the Army is, as Karl said, tasked for ground operations. They have aviation units such as helicopters for close air support and transport, but unless the A-10 is theirs, I think they are forbidden from having fixed winged planes, from their split with the Army in 1948.

They were capable of limited amphibious operations, but today I think that is solely the Marines' task. They do have elite airborne and helicopter-borne units, and heavy ground weapons such as tanks and IFVs, as the army is mostly mechanized today (light infantry still exists as mostly as an elite role).

The Marine Corps, historically, are the fighting men of the sea. They kept order on a ship, as a sort of police role. With the advent of amphibious operations (with disaster in WWI and quite effective in WWII), they are also given the job of taking the beach, to secure the area for the army to arrive. In WWII, the US Marines mostly fought in the bitter Pacific Theatre of Operations, the Army having most amphib ops in the ETO. They do have their own air units, both rotary- and fixed-winged, but focusing moreso on helping their marines land on the beaches (close air support).

Another big difference is the speed at which either can deploy. Aside from army airborne units, the marines have expeditionary units packed and ready to roll. The Army, including their 80 ton tanks, take much longer to ship.

[Karlos Vandango]

like ur avotor panzer suits u well

[link.the.first]

I think one of the main differences is political, where the Marines have something from most branches because I don't think the Army, Navy or Air Force goes in without meaning the USA is at war with the country and the Marines just move in for whatever other reason without declaring war. I don't remember where I heard that, but oh well.

[Karlos Vandango]

for the gla airforce u could use ww2 planes (not the spitfire cause i have pride for my countrys weapons)

german ones would do them just dandy
some of them could have missles and jet engines if u ever played battlefeild 1942 secret weapons of ww2 u would know

[Bob]

I never heard it called the EF-18, but I know a thing or two about the Super Hornet, and it might be the same thing.  It looks pretty similar, but the whole plane is bigger, the intakes are square instead of round, and it carries more weapons.  Also, the wings flex five degrees, so it is a lot more maneuverable.  I don't know anything about the electronics.

Which one was the B1B?  Was that the big bomber with the swing wings?

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I think he was talking about the EA-18:
http://www.globalsec...craft/f-18g.htm

[Ace22]

Yeah, that was what I was thinking of.

[Bob]

'The EA-18 was selected to replace the EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft. The EA-6B will begin retirement in the 2010 timeframe...'

... The EA-18G will provide the warfighter with abundant operational flexibility. It can carry up to five ALQ-99 jamming pods and will typically add two AIM-120 self-defense missiles and two AGM-88 High Speed Anti-Radiation (HARM) missiles. While developing the EA-18G concept and configuration, the Boeing design team maintained as much of the inherent growth capacity in the F/A-18F as possible. The result will be a platform designed to take advantage of the latest airborne electronic attack and networking technologies, enabling significant improvements in threat suppression. ...

Upon initial fleet introduction the EA-18G will be capable of self-protection, freeing up dedicated escort aircraft for strike and other missions. It will be capable of rapidly locating and destroying surface-to-air missiles.'

I like it.

[7th_Panzer]

I probably did mean the EA-18, sorry for the confusion. I'm no genius afterall

If anyone cares, the tank pictured as my avatar is a Panzerkampfwagen V Panther, in my opinion one of the finest tanks of the war, though it did not have the innovative impact of the T-34.

A German tank ace at the end of the war was quoted as saying to his American captors: "A single of my panthers could easily take out six Shermans....but you always seemed to have seven."

[link.the.first]

OK, the USA should get these:

Raptor:

Stealth: Expensive upgrade

Six Slammers: Decent vs air at close range, excellent vs air at long range, large minimum range when attacking ground forces but still very fast

Two Sidewinders: At close range there is no better way to drop aircraft

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Some bomber(anyone know of something small newer than the F-117? Not the FB-22, save that for Granger)

Stealth: upgrade?

Four rocket propelled heavy bombs

Supersonic: Different plane?

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F/A 18:
Not stealth.
Four multipurpose missiles. Pretty good against ground or air.
Two light JDAMs.
Two wingtip Sidewinders.

Also, if the aircraft carrier is ever used, give it the F/A 18 and Switchblade and, if possible, make sure Raptors and other planes designed for long runways can't land on it because I don't think Raptors can land on that short of a runway. Anything wiht swing wings, chopper blades or VTOL ability is perfectly welcome on it.

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General Grange should get all of the planes on the other list I made. His whole force is centered around the air force, so maybe he should only get basic land units while everyone else gets varied land units and basic aircraft. In case you forgot, it's here.

[7th_Panzer]

If you really wanted to replace the F-117, just use a variant of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. I'm not sure why you would want to replace it, though..

And I agree with link.the.first about Granger's planes...with the addition of the B-1B (if you want to use a Tu-160 BLACKJACK, the same skin can be used for both planes), the EA-18 and perhaps, if we're lucky, a C-130 for paratroops.

[dangman4ever]

Even though there probably won't aircraft carriers I have the perfect concept for them this plane:



I wish it wa sselected, so awsome!

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Ahh I remember that! That was one of the preliminary design for a naval version of the F-22 if I'm not mistaken. Been a while since I've seen that pic.

oh and just a litlle tidbit about the USMC: "Manoeuver warfare is a type of fighting used by the US Marine Corps, which allows the battle to quickly change on the go and in turn keeping the enemy off balance at all times"

"The Marine Corps serves as an all-purpose, fast-response task force, capable of quick action in areas requiring emergency intervention"

Article Here

Anyway getting back on topic:
The C-130 for paratroops idea reminds me of the Contra Mod. It had a C-130 hercules plane that dropped infantry when ordered to attack. Then it returned to airfield and load infantry automatically for free. It fits perfectly with the Air Force General.

As for the "Some bomber" that link.the.first suggested, there really isn't a smaller nor newer than the F-117. The F-35 could count but I think its alreayd reserved or being taken out.

Anyway the EA-18 and C-130 would be great additions to the Air Force General. The EA-18 lays down a ton of countermeasures while the C-130 goes in and drops the infantry, The countermeasures alond with PDLs ensures that the paratroopers land safely. Just a little scenario.

[7th_Panzer]

It is a sleek-looking plane. I wonder what will replace the F-14 with the deployment of the new aircraft carrier? Surely they can not pin their hopes on the JSF, which is a multirole plane ('jack of all trades, master at none'). The US Navy needs a new, stealthy plane with a powerful radar like the F-14 and long range missiles to combat bombers carrying sea skimming cruise missiles, which are even moreso a threat with the dissolution of the USSR and the proliferation of cheap missiles like Exocet and the more advanced Soviet-bloc types.

A variant of the C-130 would be the AC-130 'Spectre' gunship. Sacrificing its load of infantry for 7.62mm miniguns, 40mm autocannon and a 105mm howitzer, this plane might circle a potential drop zone for an orbit or two (I've heard that in a single orbit, they can put a single bullet into every square foot of a football field), sanitizing the area for the paratroops.

Granger's Trojan Tank might be streamlined, becoming a little taller but narrower to allow tranport, and the capability to be dropped from, the C-130. The Humvee should also have this ability.

[link.the.first]

Now THAT is cool. I'm not exactly an expert in aerodynamics, so does anyone know if that design will perform as well as the F-22? If it does, make that an upgrade to the F-22. That just looks too cool to leave out. Same armament, only the external weapon mounts will add a pair of long range rocket packs, unless it can have them without compromising other weapons or stealth. Also, supersonic when cruising. Where did that pic come from?


THIS GAME NEEDS A BIG AIRFIELD. That would free up room for your C-130, AC-130, B-2, B1B, etc. I like the idea of loading troops onto a C-130 and dropping them somewhere.

[Karlos Vandango]

hey that got tht plane in area 51

and some other c-130s

[7th_Panzer]

Its hard to say, link, without seeing the different weights and engines it would have had.

The variable geometry wings would hint at high performance for a carrier based fighter, though. Best bet would be to compare a F-14 and a F-15....the differences may be somewhat similar.

[link.the.first]

OK, seperate fighters. If a carrier is implemented, this has to be on it. If not, this should be at the air field just because it looks cool.

Armament:

Four Slammers: Same as the Raptor.
Two Sidewinders: Same as the Raptor.
Two Bombs: Kinda big. Wings extend to drop these accurately.

Compromises stealth:

8 Ground Only missiles on the underside
4 more Slammers, two under each wing
2 more Sidewinders, one under each wing