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[CPT.TIKER]

there r other version of the KV
the only ones i know is
KV1
KV2
KV85(i think)(if 85 stands for the gun as in 85mm then there might be a KV 76)

[Creator]

the best russian tank in the WW2 was the kv-1, the t-34 was fine, but i would love that the kv-1 would have win the war
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perhaps the soviets had the most maneouverable fighters, the yak-3, and the la-7 but with very poor protection and poor trained crews

Incorrect. The most maneurable soviet plane was Yak-9 and the best soviet tank was IS-2. You did not even hear about them. Why so bad?

And about tanks, the Phanter was undermotorized and was sent into service without fieldtesting, it would have been better with good testing before, but still they owned the T-34 on ranges of about 2km with teir 8.8cm cannons

Drake, are you sure you're german? Panther had 75mm cannon. And please answer the question why people love to compare HEAVY CLASS Panther with MEDIUM CLASS T-34?

yes Is were better, but Kv1 came earlier in the war, im sure that if they would keep the development of that tank, then they would had a russian panther

Evolution of KV-1 was:
KV-1 (base model, with 76mm cannon)
KV-1S (light variant with higher speed)
KV-85 (KV-1S with new turret and new 85mm cannon)
IS-1 (new chassis, but turret from KV-85)
IS-2 (more armored, new turret, new 122mm cannon)
IS-3 (had been developed during the war, but produced after the war)

Edited by Creator, 02 October 2006 - 09:05 AM.

[CPT.TIKER]

panther was a heavy tank?i thought it was a medium tank and isnt the T34/85 a heavy tank?

[Capt.Drake]

Ok, Creator true the Panther had the 7,5 mm, and by the way both the Panther and the T-34 are classified as MBTs not Heavy MBTs, and by the way they are quite compareable in my opinion, basiclly the Panther was the German version of the T-34, atleast when you look how the germans got to it's idea.
But a Panther version was planned with the 88, and in a commaent of the russians first encounter with the Panther the russian commander said that the Panther may be armed with the 88
And by the way it's said that the cannon of the Panther is better then the Tiger one

[CPT.TIKER]

bad thing about IS 2 is the ammo capacity
i think only 22 rounds were carried

their mobile artillary was also good
i forgot the names

ok i found the 1 i like
itz called Su 152

Edited by CPT.TIKER, 02 October 2006 - 12:25 PM.

[Phoenix911]

Tiker most modern battle tanks only carry 32 rounds give or take anyways so the low ammo count in that old ww tank is nothing to be "OMG" over because ther eis only limeted space in tanks for ammo.

[CPT.TIKER]

ok Creator, first the standar soviet yak-9 plane was the yak-9U and it come later in the war, yes was more maneuverable than the yak-3 specially at heigh, but the 3 was the yak that faced the migthy bf-109 first and in the "hot" period of the war, actually the best soviet figther in WW2 was the la-5, and the best ace in the allied side (US, soviet, england, etc) fowln a la-5

the same case of the is-2, this tank came too late in the war

maybe the confusion is whos the best technologically -yak-9U-, and who was the most important in the war -yak-3, la-5-

the panther had a better "gun" than the tiger, but because a special ammo (tungsten head), there werent many of them in war

the German ace had like 300+ kills and i think 50+ was in a me 262

[Ubermedic]

300+ kills and i think 50+

so which one is it tiker?
Anyway. Remember. Even if you only have 22 rounds and you hit your target(s) with every round
it's still better than having 32 rounds and missing half the time.

Edited by Ubermedic, 02 October 2006 - 08:08 PM.

[Capt.Drake]

Tiker was talking about Aircraft, but that's cause German pilots where flying as long as they could and Alllied only where at the Frontlines for tours.
The Best German Tank Commanders have like about 200 kills and this just includes Tanks

[CPT.TIKER]

300+ kills and i think 50+

so which one is it tiker?
Anyway. Remember. Even if you only have 22 rounds and you hit your target(s) with every round
it's still better than having 32 rounds and missing half the time.

what do u mean?
i mean 1 German shot down 300+ planes and 50 of these were in a ME262(not sure though but total kill is 352 and he survived the war)
his name is Erich Hartmann


The best German tank commander killed with 234(i think) tanks
he died in the falaise pocket(allied traped him and other Germans)

[Creator]

Ok, Creator true the Panther had the 7,5 mm, and by the way both the Panther and the T-34 are classified as MBTs not Heavy MBTs, and by the way they are quite compareable in my opinion, basiclly the Panther was the German version of the T-34, atleast when you look how the germans got to it's idea.
But a Panther version was planned with the 88, and in a commaent of the russians first encounter with the Panther the russian commander said that the Panther may be armed with the 88
And by the way it's said that the cannon of the Panther is better then the Tiger one

1) The term "MBT" appered in 1960s, when such classification as light/medium/heavy tank had been eliminated. So, let us don't use this term when we talk about WW2.
2) Weight of "medium" Panther Ausf H is 45 tonns. Weight of heavy KV-1 is 43 tonns. How can medium tank be heavier than heavy one? By the way, weight of T-34 is 26 tonns. Panther is twice heavier.
3) I'm not asking you what cannon they PLANNED to install and also I'm not asking you about rumors around Panther.

bad thing about IS 2 is the ammo capacity
i think only 22 rounds were carried

At first, 28 rounds. At second, it was enough because 122mm shell could guarantee kill with first hit, while 75mm cannons needed to hit enemy tank 2-6 times.

itz called Su 152

It were
ZIS-30 (based on Komsomolets tracktor)
Su-76
Su-85 (based on T-34)
Su-100 (based on T-34)
Su-122 (based on KV-1)
Su-152 (based on KV-1)
ISu-122 (based on IS-2)
ISu-152 (based on IS-2)

ok Creator, first the standar soviet yak-9 plane was the yak-9U and it come later in the war, yes was more maneuverable than the yak-3 specially at heigh, but the 3 was the yak that faced the migthy bf-109 first and in the "hot" period of the war, actually the best soviet figther in WW2 was the la-5, and the best ace in the allied side (US, soviet, england, etc) fowln a la-5
the same case of the is-2, this tank came too late in the war

And so what? Yak-9U is just improoved version of Yak-9. Different modifications of Yak-9 were used widely during the war. It was the most mass produced soviet fighter of WW2 time. Yak-9 had entered production in October of 1942. And the same is for IS-2 (entered production in December of 1943).

the panther had a better "gun" than the tiger, but because a special ammo (tungsten head), there werent many of them in war

Tiger used tungsten ammo too. And in gereral, ammo is stand alone story.