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#101 Calamity_Jones

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 02:57 AM

1. No evidence of god.Or Buddha. Or anything else like that. God should be capitalized.


That is possibly the stupidest, worst, and weakest reply I have ever seen to such a simple, strong, and powerufl argument.


that's going into my sig :lol:

I have no respect for devout religious folk. I consider them to be fools and have no qualms about saying that. We as people don't need to waste our lives in fruitless worship of possibly existing gods that we get no direct evidence of apart from our own misguided illusions.

The only thing I appreciate of religion is that it has inspired the best architecture mankind has ever produced. That's it.

Your grandma lived because of people who don't waste their lives in nonsensical worship, she lived because people who don't waste time going to church every sunday and instead study for endless years and go on to work in medicine. People who invent the drugs and equipment used in hospitals world over.


But that doesn't explain how god shits on a lot of his own believers (if he even existed).
I know few people who've been very religious. A lot of them tend to pray for their family members when they get ill, and they refuse to go to the doctor because they believe god will heal them.
Even if their like dying.
Now if your god almighty were so omni-potent and always right, then why would he shit on those believers then?

I'll tell you why. Because you believe in a fairytale. God isn't real, because if he were then he wouldn't let those people die.
And this is exactly why I refuse to believe in your god, or any god for that matter.



I'll worship this guy instead, he's bloody right!

Our loving god seems to like beating the shit out of us with natural disasters doesn't he?


First: The book of Job makes mention of a dinasour: The Behemoth. And a dragon: The Leviathon.

Second: You want evidence of God?

How about this:

The sun operates off of atomic fission. It decreases in diameter 2-4 feet-per-hour.
At that rate, about fifty-thousand years ago the earth would have been encased in flame.

We had to have been created less than fifty-thousand years ago.


Hows that?


oh my sweet god, you bloody idiot!

The sun has never encased the world in flames, and will not do so for many billions of years. The sun operates by Hydrogen fusion where Hydrogen nuclei fuse into Helium. This reaction generates immense amounts of energy, this is balanced by the immense pressure created by the stars' immense mass. This is called a state of equillibrium, granted, the sun may oscillate in diameter occasionally, but it has NOT engulfed the earth.

For it to do that it would have to exhaust its supply of hydrogen in the core. This destroys the equillibrium and the helium in the core is compressed. This massive increase in gravity adjacent to the core causes the rate of fusion to drastically increase in the star, which in turn causes the star to expand in diameter to a red giant. at this point it will engulf the earth, and that is several billion years from now.


Another thing, people always piss on Carbon dating as innacurate when they've run out of logical arguments. Carbon dating is very accurate, people much more intelligent and skilled than you or me worked all this out. Carbon 14 atoms are present in all living things courtesy of the process wherby carbon dioxide finds its way into the food chain... It is a radioactive element and has a half life of 5730±40 years. It decays about 14 times per minute. This information has been checked and re-checked by teams of scientists, the guy who came up with the technique won a nobel prize. It's not innacurate nonsense, you don't win nobel prizes for bullshit.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 03:28 AM

My point was not that the sun has encased the earth but that we were created within a time set that the sun would have been further back.

Why the heck am I reading this? I said I was done? Good-bye!
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#103 Calamity_Jones

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 03:35 AM

we evolved over a period of time, we were not created. Some fat guy with a beard didn't click his fingers for six days then sod off to the pub on the seventh.

Even if we were, it could have happened over any amount of time since the Earth became habitable.

I seriously suggest you get your hands on "A Brief History of Time" (ISBN 0-55-338016-8), it might be valuable education considering you're home schooled...

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 03:51 AM

What i've always wondered: Where did what we evolved from come from? :lol:

The original species, I mean. Not apes.
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Posted 30 June 2006 - 06:57 AM

I'll worship this guy instead, he's bloody right!

Our loving god seems to like beating the shit out of us with natural disasters doesn't he?

Heh thanks dude. Got a point there too.. Or maybe god doesn't like those filthy races because they worship him by another name?

Second: You want evidence of God?

How about this:

The sun operates off of atomic fission. It decreases in diameter 2-4 feet-per-hour.
At that rate, about fifty-thousand years ago the earth would have been encased in flame.

We had to have been created less than fifty-thousand years ago.


Hows that?

Just because we (or you if anyone) lack the knowledge bout how the sun works, that doesn't explain how god exists, if anything it just proofs our point that you are an idiot.

Why the heck am I reading this? I said I was done? Good-bye!

Can't take more of these facts because we're heathens and we don't understand or something? You're too fucking scared too back your shit up because you can't. I'll tell you that.

I seriously suggest you get your hands on "A Brief History of Time" (ISBN 0-55-338016-8), it might be valuable education considering you're home schooled...

My thoughts exactly.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 07:58 AM

I used to be home schooled. The difference is, my father has a science degree instead of a holybook.
Also look for "Stephen Hawking's Universe." Its a show which explains the universe so simply an arogant American would understand. They just might not want to. This would probably be because of insecurities about a) themselves, and b) their faith. Anyone who believes in themselves and their beleifs would be open enough to accept the more enlightened views of others.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 10:48 AM

Another thing, people always piss on Carbon dating as innacurate when they've run out of logical arguments.

Exactly what I said.

ARGUMENT FROM CREATION, a.k.a. ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL INCREDULITY (I)
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


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Posted 30 June 2006 - 11:12 AM

You know, religion is like democracy. You choose one side and all the others will bash you for not picking theirs. But they all hate those who don't vote at all.
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Posted 30 June 2006 - 11:23 AM

hehehe, poor guy.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 12:57 PM

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 03:38 PM

I swear even as a believer, I do feel ashamed and disaapointed in the religious devouts and crazies who live in these special schools and believe in creationism and what not e.g. God hates Jews/Gays

Especially if your 13 and prone to hormones, do not spout God, cos unfortunatly you do not have the spirtual maturity.

In the end religion is a choice.

Many of the believers seem to forgot religion teaches tolerance and respect for others.

All this hate, muslim, religious extermists is always shown in news and thus it affects peoples perception.

Its not a tool to make people masters over men or women but it has been twisted to be used as such.

Religions hate "sin" evil, corrupt force which we see in every human being but not the person.

A gradual degrading of morals can be seen through society, in the last 100 years the escalation of global murder and horrors has increased tenfold, we have reached the point where a order by 1 person could wipe out the entire planet.

I have my religion and my beliefs.

You have your beliefs even if that belief is not to believe.

I ask a individual to not sterotype all of us as crazy people or the source of all evil.
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Posted 30 June 2006 - 04:12 PM

The sun operates off of atomic fission. It decreases in diameter 2-4 feet-per-hour.
At that rate, about fifty-thousand years ago the earth would have been encased in flame.

We had to have been created less than fifty-thousand years ago.

Not all things take place at a constant rate. For instance, in a catalyzed reaction utilizing enzymes, the initial reaction rate is much higher than later in the reaction, as the substrate is gradually consumed and turns into the product. The same is true of most biological systems and the vast majority of physical systems. Most reactions and events that take place do so on a curve, and really, only model equations occur exactly on that curve without deviation, or exactly on a line without deviation. The fact that the sun is undergoing the normal life cycle of a star is not proof that there is any "god" in the sky. Stars do not operate on fixed, linear equations, they operate on principles of physics, things which you obviously don't understand. By saying that it is shrinking now, you cannot accurately say that it has always been shrinking. That's like looking at a corpse and saying "It's always been dead", or looking at an adult and saying it couldn't have ever been an infant, because things remain constant. Such beliefs are a return to spontaneous generation and 1st century AD science, and are unacceptable for a modern society.
Also, just to prove something.
3 (Median between 2 and 4 in case you forgot how to count) * 24 = 72. 72 ft decrease (diameter)/ day
72*365.25 = 26298 ft decrease (diameter)/year
26298 * 50,000 = 1314900000 total decrease (ft)
1314900000/5280 (ft/mi) = 249034.09(rep) miles total decrease
So, even if it was shrinking, the only distance it would have shrunk in 50,000 years would be approximately 249,034 miles, which in astronomical distances is roughly equal to an inch. So even if you are right that it is a linear function, which it is not, that hardly explains your idea that the earth was part of the sun 50,000 years ago, considering the Earth is always around 120,000,000 (Verif. requested from anyone who has the figure handy, I used 1.3km/mi as a conversion rate to conform to imperial system) miles away from the sun!
Simply mathematical proof, you can check the numbers if you'd like, but it's all simple math.
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Posted 30 June 2006 - 04:17 PM

Um... I would like to say in my defense that every scientific fact/unfact came directly from my science textbooks.
Into the fires of Orodruin,
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade

There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.

Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen

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U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 04:22 PM

They're lying to you, or you're lying to us. Either way, you're spouting mistruths. I strongly suggest you petition to get new books, they sound like something that might be picked up in a church. Religion is not science. Religion has no place in science.
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Posted 30 June 2006 - 07:17 PM

I have decided that I am now a believer... I have been enlightened!

science is a lie!

the Flying Spaghetti Monster (make sure to capitalise) is our God! He created all that exists, and any evidence to suggest otherwise is farce!

see here!

did you know there's a direct correlation between the number of pirates and global warming?

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 10:59 PM

How about a turn over, folks?



Religion is a way of life.
These religion books were written by prophets to show their desired way of life on the time and environment they used to live. If you want to follow them, fine. If you don't, it's your option.

I'm an atheist not only because I believe religion is the source of all evil in the world, but because I believe it is physically impossible for there to be any supreme being.


Religion is a great source of conflicts and usually becomes a source of evil due to misuses of its concepts.

Regarding God, I believe it's scientifically possible to explain it and quite easy, to be honest.

The problem that happens is that people doesn't understand that entities is formed of other independent entities.

Here's an easy example:


Your body has cells, neurons, anti-corps, hormones, etc... that are independent entities working independently, however, your actions are consequence of it. Budists are right to say that 'you' does not exist, because a person is formed of billions or trillions of entities.

Now, it's easier to explain God. God is the supreme entity. It's composed of all entities. It's the universe. If you take this definition for God, then God is almighty, eternal, independent of you (since your actions are almost compeletely insignificant to the universe) and you are completely dependent of him (afterall, you are inside the universe).

You can also confirm that, with this definition, God wrote all books of the world :p, including the bible.

Therefore, with this definition, I definitelly believe God and I can see an insignificant part of it :).
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 02:43 AM

But the universe is the universe and all matter in it. There's no big spiritual being there.
And you are one entity. I am one entity. We are composed of living cells. Our personalities are nothing more than imprints... burns... into our brain of our own experiences and instincts, and are often "the way they are" because of chemical composition. Go figure, I'm a sceptic, and I don't believe in any type of spirituality. I believe in what I can prove, I believe in scientific fact and reason.
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 04:10 AM

And I believe what I believe because it's the only thing that can make sense to my chemical composition.
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Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade

There is no other choice.
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One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.

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Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 04:27 AM

So, do you believe that an entity must have life? Your vision is still too much limited and too much based on 'I'. You live because you have live cells or materia on you. Your personality comes from your neurons work, from whatever sensation that you capture from the environment that you live. But what makes your neurons works are the materia that is flowing on your blood, including hormones. In short, what gives you a personality is what you eat, breath, etc...

I'm not contradicting science. I'm just trying to open your vision :p.
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 04:28 AM

Which is hardly unique. It just has to do with subtle percentages and genetic transcription factors... so basically your genes determine predisposition to emotions. It's who raises you, and external influences, which make you susceptible to the maniacal ramblings of preachers.
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