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#41 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 04:47 PM

Haldir stronger than Theoden? I thought you were basing this on the books, and even if you were basing it on the films Theoden would still be stronger.


That's a generalization on my part, Theoden will be able to hold his own well enough, but it seems to me that Haldir would be a stronger hand-to-hand fighter due to youthfullnes. Perhaps Theoden will have a higher damage while Haldir has more health. Also, I'm basing the comparison of these two on the films as the book version of Haldir wouldn't even make it into a mod as a hero.

How come the leaderships won't stack? I can understand that it may overpower units, but units would tend to be more motivated if they had two of their great captains around them, as opposed to one.


The answer to that is two-fold: yes the leaderships will stack; however, most of the leaderships will only give bonuses to a certain type of unit. For example, this is how it looks to me right now:

-Theoden=all troops
-Theodred=all troops
-Eomer=all troops
-Eowyn=peasants,royal guards?
-Hama=Royal Guards only
-Erkenbrand=all troops
-Elfhelm=riders only
-Grimbold=riders only (very weak leadership)
-Gamling=peasants/yeoman archers only

-Alatar=all troops
-Pallando=all troops
-Haldir=elven warriors only

In addition, for any of the lesser captains, the leaderships will only be in one catagory or will be very small. This way if you have say Gamling and Grimbold, both parts of the army (inf + cav) will have leadership bonuses, but those bonuses might be as small as +50% Damage, +50%Armor, +50%Exp. Decent bonuses to be sure, but probably won't win the big battles.

As opposed to having say Eomer and Theoden, where your entire army could have a bonus of +250 damage, +300 armor, +350 exp or something...

Anyway, that's a glimpse of what I'm thinking... though nothing is final yet.

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Edited by GothmogtheOrc, 12 July 2006 - 04:48 PM.

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#42 adummy

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 06:12 PM

and if you think about it haldir is in elf and aren't they stronger then men? I can't wait for all that leadership. well i got bfme2 for the 360 and all just go waste some time.

i cant wait for this.
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 11:42 PM

Haldir stronger than Theoden? I thought you were basing this on the books, and even if you were basing it on the films Theoden would still be stronger.


That's a generalization on my part, Theoden will be able to hold his own well enough, but it seems to me that Haldir would be a stronger hand-to-hand fighter due to youthfullnes. Perhaps Theoden will have a higher damage while Haldir has more health.

lol, so your saying that Haldir is younger than Theoden? :lol: just kidding, I know what you mean :p
btw, the idea off higher Damage for Tho, and higher Health for Hal, is great! :unsure:

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#44 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 09:03 PM

Opinion time people! Should my mod be for patch 1.02 or patch 1.03?

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#45 zimoo

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 09:23 PM

Patch 1.03, for us people who still play regularily on BFME1 it means we won't have to re-install it just to get it to patch 1.02
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#46 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 09:32 PM

Ok, that's what I figured you would say. I'll go ahead and start work on making it 1.03 compatible then :p

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#47 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 07:24 PM

Sharku is done, I've gotten another cool power working in-game (not yet finished), and I almost finished the new mod load screen before Gimp crashed on me and I lost all the data ;) atleast I now know how to use Gimp ;)

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Edited by GothmogtheOrc, 15 July 2006 - 07:26 PM.

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#48 zimoo

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 07:33 PM

That sucks, but it is a reminder of why I save regularily ;)
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#49 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 05:17 AM

Well the new load screen is slightly different then the old one (not that that matters as none of you saw the old one :lol: ) but I think it is better.

This picture is slightly scaled down, my copy has better resolution :lol:

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I call this the "Shadow World" version, due to the fact I based the image transitions off of the shadow world that frodo saw when he wore the ring.

What do you think? Should I stick with this or try a couple of other ideas I had? Or do any of you have suggestions for this or another picture?

EDIT: Just tested it and it looks good in-game...I think I will keep it. :) though I will probably work on the kings on the left as they could look better.

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Edited by GothmogtheOrc, 17 July 2006 - 06:52 PM.

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#50 zimoo

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 09:02 AM

Looks quite good
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 04:14 PM

Hmm.... Aragorn in the bottom left is too close to the Kings of the West title. Apart from that all is well.

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#52 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 06:53 PM

Yeah, good point. I fixed that and the border around the kings. New version:

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 06:56 PM

Great :thumbsup:

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 08:12 PM

wow you have done a great job so far :p i hope you do release a beta of it :p
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 08:48 PM

I'm going to try. I've got a small checklist of things to get in-game, then I have to port the mod to patch 1.03... then finish Gondor/Isengard. After all that I will work on releasing a small beta. Lol, it should be less work then it sounds though.

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 03:55 PM

The load screen looks great now :p

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 04:49 PM

-Theoden=all troops, small lead to Hama and Gamling
-Theodred=all troops
-Eomer=all troops
-Eowyn=peasants
-Hama=Royal Guards and small lead to Theo
-Erkenbrand=footsoldiers only
-Elfhelm=riders and horse archers
-Grimbold=riders (very weak leadership)
-Gamling=footmen, yeomen archers and Horse Archers and small lead to Theo

-Alatar=all troops
-Pallando=all troops
-Haldir=elven warriors only


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Doesn't it look better? Its still an preposition tho...you will do how will YOU like it....But I think Eowyn giving leadership to Royal Guards is no-no and Erkenbrand should give leadership to footsoldiers only...
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Posted 19 July 2006 - 05:09 PM

Eowyn giving leadership to Royal Guards makes sense to me. She's royalty and she's hot :)
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#59 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 07:00 PM

I agree, Eowyn is royalty and I think she would inspire the guards to defend her. She doesn't lead them per se, but they would certainly fight harder if she was near so that they could defend her.

As for Erkenbrand, he was described as being a rider, so it doesn't make sense to me to not give him a good leadership to all troops. Also, as theoden said in TTT "The valor of Helm Hammerhand lives again in Erkenbrand" and since the people all loved Helm it seems resonable to assume that comparing Erkenbrand to so high and legendary a hero as Helm means that perhaps he had even more in common then just valor. Also, in the books every one at helms deep is dismayed when they find that Erkenbrand isn't there with them, as well as the riders from Edoras (including Theoden and Eomer).

So, my thoughts of Erkenbrand are that he is the best rohan hero outside of the royal heroes (theoden, eomer, eowyn, theodred...with hama being just below him overall).

I like your idea of a small leadership bonus between Theoden and Hama. I'll see if that would work whenever I start working on these guys.

-Elfhelm = riders and horse archers [Yep, this is what I meant by riders :) ]
-Grimbold = riders (very weak leadership) [Yep]
-Gamling = peasants, yeomen archers and Horse Archers [perhaps...we'll see]

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#60 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 04:57 AM

Some BIG BIG BIG updates comming up... stay tuned the next day or two. You're going to LOVE them!

lol, I'm working on them now and I'm so excited... really cool stuff.

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Edited by GothmogtheOrc, 20 July 2006 - 05:21 AM.

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