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[Gherrick]

Maybe elven cloak , some sort of backstab and maybe knife throw ?

[Lauri]

elven cloak? *laugh of the day*

the other suggestions are nice though haha, elven cloak.. *laughs*

[adummy]

*joins Lauri in laughing* as much as some of you may hate it, i like his level 10 power in bfme2 where he can mind control an enemy hero.

[swan]

My idea for Grima:

Cost: 750
Health: 600
Melee Attack: 35-40

Powers:
1. The Loyal Servant (get's +50% attack when near Saruman). Level 1.
2. Wormtongue (just like Saruman's ability). Level 5-6
3. Poisonous Speech (-50% damage, armour, speed and attack speed for enemy hero). Level 8-9

And he should deal huge damage against Saruman and Theoden (if it's possible to code)

( And maybe a 10 level power called "The Throw of the Palantir" - unables the Palantir vision power, but deals lot's of damage against heroes )

[zimoo]

I think if he costs that much he would never be brought. Why spend money on him, when for a few hundred more you can get the MUCH more useful uruk heroes?

[Thorontur]

I think if he costs that much he would never be brought. Why spend money on him, when for a few hundred more you can get the MUCH more useful uruk heroes?

Ugluk really isn't that useful imo, at least in most matchups. Grima's wormtongue should also be stronger than Saruman's: make it larger and also last a little longer.

[adummy]

I agree with zimoo. he would need to do more damage/better powers to cost that much.

Edited by adummy, 02 January 2007 - 08:54 PM.

[Gherrick]

I meant some sort of elven cloak lol
Maybe:

1 lvl: Spy- hides in open terain (like elven cloak)

3 lvl: Backstab- quite powerful damaging attack with bonus agains Saruman and Theoden

5 lvl: Knife Throw- like spear throw but quicker recharging

7 lvl: Wormtongue- takes few battalions of enemies

10 lvl: Poisonous Words- takes possesion of enemy heroes. Only 3000 and less so no taking off Gandalf, Fellbeasts, Saruman or Witchking...or Elven Heroes.

Cost - 800
He have good abilities but VERY poor melee attack and he is weak, weaker even than Royal Guards in terms of health.

Edited by Gherrick, 02 January 2007 - 08:59 PM.

[Thorontur]

^^Why does he need to hide in the open? He was never described as being stealthy.

[adummy]

I think he should be able to mount. For some reason i remember someone telling me he was described as being very good on the back of a horse. It would also make sense because he is Rohhric (sp?). This would also give Isengard a calavary hero

[Olorin]

Yeah, but Isengard doesn't focus as much on cavalry IMO (leave the riding to Sharku). Those ideas so far are very nice and very fitting for the character.

Edited by Olorin, 03 January 2007 - 02:09 AM.

[Elvenlord]

Yeah, he probably was at least a fair rider, he was given a horse when he left edoras in the books(and maybe the movies, I don't remeber )

[Olorin]

Yep, in both. But still, doesn't fit the sneaky, almost stealthy character that is Grima (IMO).

[Celeglin]

I'll definitely give him a version of Saruman's Wormtongue ability as well as having a bonus when near Saruman. For the rest, I'll either give him two different "poison" moves (one that works on a single unit, another for an area) or one poison move and a backstab move (large damage to a single unit). No mounting as there isn't really anything to ride with him (bar Wargs).

[Thorontur]

QUESTION: Can we get some pre-release ss's sometime of the new Elven units, Grima etc. whenever you have the time? I can't wait to see them all...

[adummy]

No new units are being worked on. We are giving ideas to what Grima would have before cel goes codding everything for him

[Celeglin]

Grima's done (did him for RA), but I won't be showing him for some time. Nothing else has been done/finished.

[m@tt]

Havent been here for a few weeks, what the hell is The Last Twilight, and which heroes are being added other than Wormtongue?

[Hearach]

The Last Twighlight Is the name for TEA2

[Olorin]

If you want to know more about it then visit the Expanding into two Factions thread (located on the second page of the forum). The first page of the thread pretty much gives you a brief explanation on the mod, and the rest of the pages are our stupid ideas .