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[ambershee]

1 Million sales in this amount of time for the Ps3 isn't actually very poor at all, it's fairly similar to the way the 360 release went. I think we'll see a lot more Ps3 installs in future, especially when supply meets demand.

[Comrade Kal]

Are you on crack, Ash? The N64 had some of the best games ever made. The PS1 was piss-poor.

[Ash]

No, it wasn't. And the N64 had a handful of good/great games, yes, but the PS1 had a whole bunch more.

[Calisto]

the N64 was a disappointment in a lot of ways :(

[Soul]

I mostly played Perfect Dark and Turok Rage Wars for my N64, back when I still had it, man I want it back.

The Wii IMHO is ok cause the Wiimote and Nubchuck are quite an intesresting piece of technology, good for Nintendo for making something quite amazing, Although I still plan on getting a PS3.

In the end it's all about personal choice, that's why I want a PS3.

Edited by Forgotten_Soul, 10 January 2007 - 11:50 PM.

[Calisto]

My husband saw a trailer for Ultimate Alliance with the wiimotes, I had to hand him a towel to wipe up afterwards

[Ash]

the N64 was a disappointment in a lot of ways :(

Thou be'st my new hero.

My husband saw a trailer for Ultimate Alliance with the wiimotes, I had to hand him a towel to wipe up afterwards

Roffle.

[ambershee]

Are you on crack, Ash? The N64 had some of the best games ever made. The PS1 was piss-poor.

The Ps1 birthed some of the most successful videogame franchises ever to have existed. You can't say the same for the N64.

[Daeda]

Nintendo made a big mistake using cartridges for the N64. DId you know Playstation was originally an extension to play cds on the SNES. If Nintendo had allowed them they'd dominate the market right now

[ambershee]

That was the original intention. But after the Sega-CD, can you blame Nintendo ?

[Comrade Kal]

I could name 20 games on the N64 that are better than anything that has ever been on a Sony console.

[ambershee]

In your humble, overtly biased opinion, yes.

[chemical ali]

Goldeneye, that rocked on the N64.

[Comrade Kal]

Goldeneye was one of the few console games that you could claim was revolutionary, and made everybody look round. One of the most influential games of all time. Perfect Dark, the sequel, was just as far ahead of it's time, if not more. It was like a cross between Goldeneye and Metal Gear Solid, with other things and... oh god, we haven't seen anything like it since, even.

Combine that with classics, lets list some hmm Lylat Wars, Mario 64 (3d platforming for the first time and executed beautifully), Donkey kong 64 (likewise), mario kart and diddy kong racing being, of course, the most fun you can have in a racing game, the Turok series producing some fantastic games...

The Legend of Zelda! That was the greatest game of all time, by miles!

And still all playable today. Has anybody tried playing a PS1? It was bad enough at the time. Now it's absurd.

[Carnivean]

Goldeneye was one of the few console games that you could claim was revolutionary, and made everybody look round. One of the most influential games of all time. Perfect Dark, the sequel, was just as far ahead of it's time, if not more. It was like a cross between Goldeneye and Metal Gear Solid, with other things and... oh god, we haven't seen anything like it since, even.

Combine that with classics, lets list some hmm Lylat Wars, Mario 64 (3d platforming for the first time and executed beautifully), Donkey kong 64 (likewise), mario kart and diddy kong racing being, of course, the most fun you can have in a racing game, the Turok series producing some fantastic games...

The Legend of Zelda! That was the greatest game of all time, by miles!

And still all playable today. Has anybody tried playing a PS1? It was bad enough at the time. Now it's absurd.

I disagree - the N64 had a number of good games but, the PS1 is not as bad by far as you make it out to be. Castlevania SOTN, Crash Bandicoot 1 - 3 and Team Racing, Resident Evils, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy VII through IX are all excellent exambles of games which remain awesome. Especially when shoved on a PSP with popstaion.

[ambershee]

Most of the successful games on the N64 were rehashes of existing franchises (not to say that there weren't plenty on the Ps1 too). Mario 64 was by no means the first 3d platformer, although it was executed well. Crash Bandicoot was also available at the same time, and in my opinion had far slicker gameplay mechanics than Mario 64. I would also say the same thing about Crash Team Racing. Both examples of Crash games had an enormous level of longetivity in play, I still play some of them now, although I can't say the same about Mario 64 or Mario Kart 64. I should also add that Turok was by no means an N64 exclusive.

If the Ps1 was such a poor console, then why are variations of it still being sold in large numbers today? I can't say the same for the N64.

Edited by ambershee, 12 January 2007 - 02:48 AM.

[Carnivean]

The N64 was known mainly for the dozen or so immense titles (Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong 64 and so on.) The PSX was known for the variety and number of title. No truly epic games spawned from the PSX aside from the FFs (at least, none spring to mind) there were more good games - but less great games. At least in my opinion.

But of course, it's pointless arguing about dead consoles - we're almost 2 generations down the line.

Edited by Carnivean, 12 January 2007 - 03:31 AM.

[ambershee]

Final Fantasy existed way before the Ps1, so you can hardly say it spawned there.

No "truly epic games"? While not necessarily in my opinion the best games ever, you can't argue with the fact that Gran Turismo, Resident Evil and Crash Bandicoot all spawned on the Ps1 - and are all some of the biggest selling game franchises ever. Grand Theft Auto and Tomb Raider are also good examples, although they also had simultaneous PC releases.

- Game Franchise sales figures and overall positions of the above;

6. Grand Theft Auto - 50 million units sold
10. Gran Turismo - 44 million units sold
13. Crash Bandicoot - 34 million units sold
14. Resident Evil - 31 million units sold
16. Tomb Raider - 30 million units sold

Surely that says something? These aren't just existing successful franchises that moved to the console - they started on the console and made their success from there, something which np game on the N64 succeeded in doing.

What the N64 did have however is releases upon already successful franchises - Madden NFL, Mario and Zelda, long established in the SNES days. However would these games have sold as well without the long standing brand name behind them? Probably not, although they would have sold well.

[Carnivean]

Final Fantasy existed way before the Ps1, so you can hardly say it spawned there.

I didn't mean to imply it spawned from it, I meant the FFs are the main noteworthy games from the PSX. I'm well aware of the existance of games previous to FF VII - I don't just think they randomly number tha games.

No "truly epic games"? While not necessarily in my opinion the best games ever, you can't argue with the fact that Gran Turismo, Resident Evil and Crash Bandicoot all spawned on the Ps1 - and are all some of the biggest selling game franchises ever. Grand Theft Auto and Tomb Raider are also good examples, although they also had simultaneous PC releases.

- Game Franchise sales figures and overall positions of the above;

6. Grand Theft Auto - 50 million units sold
10. Gran Turismo - 44 million units sold
13. Crash Bandicoot - 34 million units sold
14. Resident Evil - 31 million units sold
16. Tomb Raider - 30 million units sold

Surely that says something? These aren't just existing successful franchises that moved to the console - they started on the console and made their success from there, something which np game on the N64 succeeded in doing.

What the N64 did have however is releases upon already successful franchises - Madden NFL, Mario and Zelda, long established in the SNES days. However would these games have sold as well without the long standing brand name behind them? Probably not, although they would have sold well.

Just because people buy the crap from a franchise doesn't mean I personally would consider it epic (which you should simply replace with awesome to better understand what I actually meant).
The Gran Turisimos on the PS1 aren't that great in my eyes. Resident Evil and Crash are indeed two of the great series on the console itself.
Really this is useless as it's a matter of taste unless sales figures actually are a factor in you enjoying something. The PS1 had fewer games I consider to be awesome personally (The FFs, The Crash series, Castlevania:SOTN, MGS, Silent Hill and the Resident Evils) when compared to the N64 (Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mario 64/Kart, Diddy Kong Racing, both Zeldas, Banjo Kazooie/Tooie, F Zero X, Donkey Kong 64 etc.) indeed there are some good games on the PSX other than those I class as awesome but like a lot less than N64 games (Spyro and Tekken spring to mind).

Lastly in regards to a name causing the titles to sell - who cares? Most of the nintendo franchises are actually managing to pull off consistant excellent quality releases. Assuming the games weren't well known and I'd played them I'd probably still hold them in as high regard as they'd still be the same game.

[Comrade Kal]

Saying that crash and crash team racing are better than mario and mario kart is frankly ridiculous.