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[Canterbury]

I see your point, but to spam even more, the second the Allies landed on Italy, the Italians turned their backs against Benito Mussolini and arrested him. No leadership bonus there

[Mathijs]

That's because Mussolini just sucked at speeches.

[Alsch]

I think that a good amount of leadership bonuses should be specific. Too many general leaderhsips makes for a lack of strategies. Obviously, people like Aragorn, Gandalf, Theoden, and other great kings/leaders should have the general bonuses.

[hdh7]

Would it be possible for Imrahil to give a large leadership bonus to the swan Knights and a small one to other troops?

[zimoo]

Yes it would.

[Canterbury]

Specialized leadership should give out better bonueseeses while General leadership should give smaller amounts (somewhere in the 25-50s, while specialized have 50-100%)

[Lauri]

more like 10-15% and then 25-50%, if you want all leadership to be like this

[Olorin]

Just because your standing next to such an iconic hero doesnt mean your swords become stronger than forged blades and such.

true, it doesnt, but i dont think you fully understand the power of the spoken voice. Hitler killed millions are treated his own people like shit, but the way he spoke made them all believe he was leading them to a better life. It goes the same for a general in war. The way they rally their troops to fight will cause them to be more careful. True they arent gaining a 50% damage boost, but they are willing to risk more.

I have to add more to adummy's reply. In the game leadership refers to the hero's ability to inspire his lesser allies to excel in things, such as their prowess in battle (damage and defense). It also makes troops want to stand out among their peers, wanting to catch the eye of their hero/commander (refering to experience). And other types of leadership (speed, range, armour) all come from being inspired; soldiers want to ride as fast as their captain; they want to make an excellent shot; they want to fight to their last breath, all so they can recieve the acknowledgement of their superior. Excuse me for ranting on like this, but I just want to make something clear.

Anyway, this especially applies to the Peoples of Middle-Earth because they had some real iconic heroes (Gandalf, Aragorn, Glorfindel, Elrond [although he's not in the mod], Boromir, just to name a few). Saruman is a prime example of this: his power of the voice rallied many soldiers to his cause (the Dunlendings, for example). He even caused doubt in the minds of others, such as King Theoden. You should never underestimate the power of the voice. Even in real life there were some captains as great as those in Middle-Earth. Alexander the Great, Leonidas of Sparta, Achilles (I know mostly Greek heroes ) were some, and they were known for inspiring their troops with a single command, so to speak.

I think that a good amount of leadership bonuses should be specific. Too many general leaderhsips makes for a lack of strategies. Obviously, people like Aragorn, Gandalf, Theoden, and other great kings/leaders should have the general bonuses.

That makes sense. I agree with this.

Specialized leadership should give out better bonueseeses while General leadership should give smaller amounts (somewhere in the 25-50s, while specialized have 50-100%)

I think that's a bit off balance. Having general leaderships as half of the specialized ones isn't right, in my opinion. General leadership would come from iconic heroes *looks at rant he wrote up earlier*, so it would make sense that those heroes would give off a lot of leadership. My point is that general leadership should be equal to/slightly less than specialized.

Edited by Olorin, 15 April 2007 - 08:03 AM.

[Canterbury]

Dear god in heaven hello mate

[Alsch]

Ok, um... I'm going to try to tackle this thing.

Alright. First off, just as a kind of unwritten rule, don't quote a post - especially large ones - that you are replying to if it is the post right before yours. Also, as a side note, try to cool down on the capitalized sentences.

Also, it's good that you like this mod. Great, actually. To answer your question, this mod will not be for rise of the witch king.

Canterbury's comment was just that your post was a bit intimidating.

Edited by Alsch, 27 April 2007 - 03:29 AM.

[Olorin]

Alright. First off, just as a kind of unwritten rule, don't quote a post - especially large ones - that you are replying to if it is the post right before yours.

Oh please, I know lots of people who do that... Anyway, to Guest: apart from my brief mention of Leonidas, did your post have any relevance to mine? I'm just kidding. Well, I'm glad that you like the mod...............quite a lot, but yeah, if you keep posting about how great the mod is or how you just can't wait for the mod to come out, it's gonna get annoying. I mean we all can't wait, but we just have to, so there's nothing we can do about it. One thing you can do is give us ideas towards the mod, or try and guess what the mod's gonna include (like in our 'new hero powers' thread). Just giving you a few pointers. Other than that, welcome to Revora.

[Uruk King]

I've ben meaning to ask the modders, there been mentioning of Uruks with Shields, are they gonna be an elite warrior breed, or are hey simply basic uruk-hai who have recieved a phisical change?

[cahik_]

just a basic unit that has some physical change

[hdh7]

Physical change?

[Mathijs]

Change in appearance from BFME1's original Uruk Hai.

[Olorin]

So instead of having just a sword they carry a shield as well.

[Canterbury]

Some carries shields and some dont