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[Gothmog14]

Umm, hello. I've been watching this mod for a while, and with this new site I really can't wait for it, so i decided to join the forums. I was wondering, do you plan to have an AI for the new factions in Skirmish? I read that this was something very difficult to do, and the best mods for BFME right now (Elven Alliance and Elvenstar) don't seem to be able to do it, so is it even possible?

Also, sorry if this was asked/is obvious, but how do I get an avatar/image under my name like all of you do?

[adummy]

I think i recall them saying they will try to add AI for all the new teams, but yes it is hard to add it. the elvenstar team got the elves to work a little bit and cel has tried but when he does add it, another team wont do anything

[Olorin]

Lol I actually had that idea ages ago, to make animals attackable and then make their corpses heal nearby units

Except mine was serious

Seriously, that wouldn't be such a bad idea. It makes perfect sense, as long as those animals are nothing grotesque. It would especially fit with the Evil factions *points to Mordor and Isengard*. Could even be something out of the scenery, like those bears or dears which roam the map...damn you zimoo, you've got me thinking to much now.

[m@tt]

Also, sorry if this was asked/is obvious, but how do I get an avatar/image under my name like all of you do?

Near the top of the page is a link called "My Controls", that takes you to your control panel. On the left is a menu, and one of the options is about Avatars. You can upload your own straight from your pc, or from any location on the net. For example, here are the old RA ones: www.rhovanionalliance.net/avatargallery

Edited by mh_gollum, 16 March 2007 - 04:30 PM.

[Uruk King]

Do Isengard get a basic archer unit? Cuz realistically the uruk crossbowmen would be the elite archers of Isengard.

[Olorin]

I think the Uruk Scouts will be the Elite archers here.

[zimoo]

Bows are more elite than crossbows IMO, due to the training needed (or in the case of crossbows, lack of training). Crossbow is basically a point and click weapon, whereas bows require more expertise.

Of course I know nothing of war, so chances are I'm wrong

[Olorin]

You know nothing of war, yet you know everything about Tolkien's work. That's hard to figure out, as Tolkien's work is based on war and conflict. Well, you're right about not needing that much training with the crossbow as opposed to the bow, but a crossbow is a) more accurate, b) easier to fire, and c) way more powerful. It makes up for it in other ways, most notable the lack of efficiency in pumping out the goods. But, look at it this way: the Uruk Scouts were the first Uruks created by Saruman, and so it looks as if they were the greatest, Lurtz being a fine example. Even though they were clad in little armour, they would've packed a punch, and they used both bow and sword in the movie, so my guess would be that they're more elite than the Uruk Crossbowmen.

Edit: excuse the obese post; I got a little carried away.

Edited by Olorin, 17 March 2007 - 10:47 AM.

[Uruk King]

I beg to differ. Being the first uruks to be created by Saruman and being lightly armored, I pictured them to be basic swordsmen and archers, kinda like the Mirkood meathor. While the Heavy Uruk-hai and Uruk crossbows are more specialized and elite, because crossbows are more acurate and more powerful than bows

[Lauri]

when your suppose to hunt down someone, you wouldn't have to run with heavy armor and equipment would you now? didn't think so

I also see on them equally, cause their uruks after all... only they have different advantages

and bows are better to use than xbows IMO... cause I like them better, and they... well... just they way I'd see it

[hdh7]

I think they should come in units of one and be commando/scout type units with a bow/sword toggle.

[Dain Ironfoot]

Crossbows main advantage was the fact it needed virtually no training and was easy to mass produce. Heh, in the Napoleonic wars it was proposed that England muster longbow regiments again. They'd almost certainly have outshot other armies, but in the end the propsal was quashed because it'd take too long to train significant numbers.

In other words, crossbows are almost certainly not elite...

[King Earnur]

I probably shouldn't be contradicting a member of the Rhovonian Alliance, but as Dain said they're easy to produce and train, and as Uruk King said they're more accurate and powerful as well. That's what makes them perfect for elite archers,

[Dain Ironfoot]

Accurate? No more so than a trained bowman. Powerful? Depends at what range we're talking at. A longbow could certainly pack as much punch as a crossbow bolt. And have up to 6 arrows at a time in the air.

Crossbowmen will certainly not be "elite"

[King Earnur]

You have a point there Dain. And I'd love to continue arguing my point but I'm very tired and not thinking entirely clearly

[Olorin]

I think they should come in units of one and be commando/scout type units with a bow/sword toggle.

Nah, that will just be ineffective. Look at the Elven Warriors in the original, except without the heavy armour. My ideal Uruk Scout would have a sword and bow toggle (that's more of a must, in my opinion), high speed (almost equalling that of an elf), high damage, high range, but to compensate, low armour.

Accurate? No more so than a trained bowman. Powerful? Depends at what range we're talking at. A longbow could certainly pack as much punch as a crossbow bolt. And have up to 6 arrows at a time in the air.

Crossbowmen will certainly not be "elite"

I agree with you about them not being Elite, but about the crossbows, I'd have to disagree *goes all technical again*. Say we had a crossbow vs. a bow. Both of their targets are 25 metres away. The crossbow fires and penetrates the target, the bow fires and the arrow goes through half as much as the crossbow bolt. Crossbow is more powerful in that respect. Their range will end up being the same, the bow might be better though *points at longbow vs. crossbow*. Accuracy is like a primitive version of a gun, and handling is much the same (meaning it's easier to fire; you don't need that much training). But efficiency is where the crossbow is at a great fault. It takes to load a second bolt as long as it does to fire three shots with a normal bow. And the crossbow isn't as stealthy as a normal bow, and you can't fire multiple projectiles, and it doesn't have that kind of flexibility in terms of firing position and handling; you can't really shoot around a corner with a crossbow, but you can with a bow.

Overall:
Pros - crossbows are more accurate, easier to fire, better for mass production, and pack more of a punch (especially at lower ranges)
Cons - very low firing rate, can only shoot forward (from where you're facing), isn't as stealthy, can only shoot one bolt at a time, and sometimes doesn't have as much range as a normal bow *points at longbow*.
Similarities - both have a similar range, and both have the same function.

Again, sorry for the huge post.

Edited by Olorin, 18 March 2007 - 03:00 AM.

[Canterbury]

THe crossbows were part of the regular army of isengard, so they wouldnt be elite. The scouts should be elite because they are sent on missions and specialize on hit and runs like at amon hen. Thats just my guess. And by the way, wasnt the musket the dominant weapon during napoleon's day? Crossbows & bows would have been out of date, though their rate of fire is much faster than a musket, 12 shoots per min for longbow vs 3 shots per min musket

[Uruk King]

OK, I guess crossbows and Uruk-hai warriors are now classed as basic infantry now. *scrunches up note and chucks it in the bin*

I thought that while the Uruk warriors and crossbows were the elite of Isengard, the scouts were basic infantry and archers. But of course they are now considered to be the elite. But the Uruk crossbows and warriors are more specialized

[Olorin]

And they were used more-so than the Scouts. I mean, about 99% of all of Saruman's Uruks were used at Helm's Deep, so that's where EALA took the main ideas from.

[Lauri]

I wouldn't think of the Xbow and Bow having similiar range.... but that's just me