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[Nazgûl]

EDIT: *poll closed* Matter decided! We WILL add EvilMen, but we will NOT remove Moria (Goblins) It's just a question if we should port to RotWK for this (7 factions max), or force the 7th faction into BFME2 and loose CaH and Stats for that faction...

“EvilMen” Faction!
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Rhün & Harad



Rhûn Fortress Keep


CREDITS: DIGI_Byte

EXPANSIONS
- Corpses in cages (Function like Mordor’s terror exp.)
- Scorpion Expansion (Function like Moria's spiderling exp.)
- Arrow Tower Expansion
UPGRADES
- Faction Flags (Discounts & Leadership)
- Crebain (Stealth detection)
- Fire Arrows
- Reinforced Fortress (+50% armor & pre requisite to Monument)
- Mûmakil Monument upgrade (Summons Wild Mûmakil horde + gives Leadership to all Mûmakil)


Porter



Heroes
Lorgan – Easterling King of Rhûn


Suladân – The “Black Serpent” WarLord of Near Harad
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CREDITS: Flameguard (Skin by Eldarion)

Mahûd Chieftain – of Far Harad

CREDITS: Robnkarla (Skin by Nazgûl)

Uldor – Variag Leader of Khand

CREDITS: Lord Istari
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Rhûn Walls

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Rhûn Battle Tower

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"EvilMen" Hero Statue
For bonuses, discounts and CP

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Rhûn Barracks


Easterling Swordsmen - Normal infantry with shields


Easterling Pikemen - Strong anti cavalry


Easterling Spearmen – Very strong spearmen with shields


Easterling Axemen – Super elite infantry, single units (like Isengard's Berserkers)

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Rhûn Stables


Easterling Kataphrakts - Strong cavalry (like Gondor knights)

CREDITS: Model by: Lauri. Edited by: Ed of the 3rd Kind. Skin by: Nazgûl

WainRider – Elite single unit cavalry, limited in numbers

*MODEL NEEDED*
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Rhûn Forge Works (Armory/Siege Hall)
For BC, FB & HA + Siege Equipment


Easterling Catapult – Normal siege unit

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Rhûn Windmills
For resources and CP

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Harad Palace Tent
For Harad Heroes... and whatnot

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Harad Monument
For bonuses and CP (No discounts)

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Harad Barracks


Haradrim Swordsmen - Basic infantry


Harad Hâsharii - Elite infantry / Anti heroes

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Harad Archery Range


Haradrim Lancers – Normal ranged infantry
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CREDITS: Flameguard (Skin by Eldarion)

Haradrim Archers – Elite archers
-Image currently removed-
CREDITS: Flameguard (Skin by Eldarion)
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Harad Stables


Haradrim Raiders – Light spear cavalry
>>> MODEL WiP by FLAMEGUARD! <<<

Haradrim Bow Raiders – Light archer cavalry
>>> MODEL WiP by FLAMEGUARD! <<<

Mahûd Camel Riders - Light Spear/Archer cavalry (might replace the Haradrim Bow version ^)
If possible, might use Blow Guns, but doubtful Flame will animate that

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Harad Mûmakil Pen


Mahûd Mûmak Rider – (Instead of Banner Carrier upgrade)

CREDITS: Lauri (Skin by Nazgûl)

Mûmakil – Super heavy cavalry

>>> BFME2 MODEL <<<

Royal black Mûmakil - Super heavy hero cavalry

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Harad Armory
For BC, FB & HA

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Harad Watch Tower
With Haradrim Tower Lancers

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Khand “palace”


Khand Swordsmen – Support units

CREDITS: Lord Istari
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Harad Slave Mill
For resources and CP (high level gains)

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Edited by Nazgûl, 09 October 2009 - 10:11 PM.

[Bruno62339]

although i love my goblins, i think this is a cool idea. does mordor get gob heroes too? i always wanted shelob in mordor...

[Nazgûl]

IF this would be done, then Shelob and the Goblin King (isn't that the Great Goblin btw?) would be moved to Mordor as well yes. Maybe I should list that too... *forgot*

[Bruno62339]

lol yeah, i think ea just copied the idea of the great goblin.....

[Mordor Slayer]

Yes yes! What a coincidence, I was thinking about this lately... About removing the Goblins and giving minifactions to the other factions... So now we have a minifaction for Mordor, and the Goblins removed. Great! Although I liked Garisson Nomad's drawings (I mean the ideas and armor, not so much the big ears ). But we can always give them new units... Or maybe for a campaign *thinks about possibilities*.

[Downfall]

I don't know about this one. Seems that Mordor gains alot more things, while the Evil Men faction really has nothing to build upon. Just look what you listed for the Evil Men faction, there's really nothing there at all at the moment.

If going this route, you should make Evil Men a mini-faction for Mordor, and improve upon the Goblins as a whole.

Edited by Downfall, 17 June 2007 - 06:00 PM.

[adummy]

maybe split the Goblins into 2 and give half to Mordor and half to Isengard. This way everyone has a minifaction except for the Evil Men, which we could figure one out

Gondor has Rohan
Elves has Hobbits
Dwarves has Dale
Mordor has part of Goblins
Isengard has part of Goblins.
Evil men has has ??

[Downfall]

That's the thing; what could we add for Evil Men and what could a mini-faction be for them?

[Mordor Slayer]

Or giving the Evil men as a minifaction to Mordor and scrapping the Goblins completely? Or adding them as inn units?

[Juissi]

IF this would be done, then Shelob and the Goblin King (isn't that the Great Goblin btw?) would be moved to Mordor as well yes. Maybe I should list that too... *forgot*

Gorkil cant be the Great Goblin because EA doesnt have rights to the The Hobbit where Great Goblin appears but I guess that is what they used as some kind of inspiration

But about this idea, how much would you think it would add to the time to wait the final release ? I bet it would be ALOT
BTW I voted I guess it sounds cool, but I'm not sure? because Im surely interested to see how you would make Evil Men faction. Because even though everybody about always says that it aint unique, every mod can make Evil Men different from the other mods if wanted

[Nazgûl]

lol, well Evil Men ARE already a mini faction of Mordor, right?

The idea would be to make them a real faction instead. Finding units for them would NOT be a problem... The problem is the work load

Seems that Mordor gains alot more things

They woould lose all things listed... the Mumakil for being one =p

[Uruk King]

I like your concepts Nazgul, but you could give the Goblin units to isengard as spamming units and possibly give the Half Trolls to Evil men replaced by goblin pikemen, Goblin arechers become elite archers due to the skill of shooting in the dark and poisoned arrows. Gorkil could be put in the Goblin Cave, and Drogoth can be called from the Gorgoroth Spire. And he can summon three fire Drakes.

Evil Men units

Haradrim Swordsmen - Basic Infantry
Easterling Archers - Basic archers
Haradrim Archers - Elite Archers
Harad Tribesmen - basic Spearmen
Soldiers of Rhun - Elite spearmen
Haradrim Raiders - Light Cavalry
WainRiders - Heavy Chariots of Rhun
Mumakil - Seige/Cavalry
Umbar Balista - Seige
Hâsharin - Hero assasins
Coarsairs - support units
Easterling axemen - Best units for Evil Men

Heroes:

Suladan
2500

*lvl 1) Mount
*lvl 1) Leadership (100% damage and amour for all haradrim units)
*lvl 2) Spear Throw
*lvl 5) King of Harad (Glourious Charge)
*lvl 9) King's Army (an army of Harad is summoned)

Mahûd Chieftain
3000

*lvl 1) mounts mumakil
*lvl 2) Stampede Crushes all enemys in the mumakils path
*lvl 4) Tusker (similar to wizard blast)
*lvl 7) Trumpet (enemy units cower in fear)
*lvl 8) master of Beasts (XP to targeted Mumakil)
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Xaradra
1500

*lvl 1) Axe Master
*lvl 3) Climb Wall
*lvl 5) Pillage
*lvl 6) Throw Bomb

Sharikhan
1200

*lvl 1)Toggle Knife/Bow
*lvl 2) Stealth
*lvl 4) Eyes of the Assasin (vision is increased by 80%)
*lvl 6) Poison Dart (Fires poisonous dart which cripples the enemy hero they take one heavy poison damage)

[Lauri]

I voted yes.... But don't take all of UK's ideas....

for each Easterling unit, there's a better or worse Haradrim.... I'd like to see Evil Men as Evil Men..

Easterlings
Haradrim
Khandish forces
Dunlendings (yeah, their Isengard, but still Evil)
And so on... if there's more to it

But yeah, dunlendings are at Isengard, but seeing gobbo's perhaps going there, why not just remove them, and place them in Evil Men?
I mean, nobody every said anything about a Men of Shadow faction, aye?

[zimoo]

Boring.

*Yawns*

How many mods have an evil men faction? Try coming up with something more unique and I might actually offer you some constructive ideas, rather than summing up the entire thread in one word

Personally, I'd say split Rohan/Dale out of their respective faction(s) and replace goblins with them. That way is atleast unique (maybe not the Rohan thing, but the good/evil unbalance).

Lets face it, evil is split into two groups, Isengard and Mordor. Even these 2 are not very independent. Good however is split up into tons of independently acting kingdoms. It's not like the evil side where 1 lord holds dominion over all. I say unbalance good/evil (not that it makes a tiny bit of difference, for all you morons who are bound to come in arguing that there is now more good factions than evil).

Also, with evil being squashed into two factions, it gives them more variety, which IMO they have always lacked.

[Lauri]

hm, I agree with zimoo now.... totally

[Downfall]

That quick to change your mind Lauri

[Garrison Nomad]

agreed, zimoo does have a point. I really think gobs should go to isengard instead of mordor, though. I think isen even brought them to helms deep (at least they did in TTT game, but ehh, that's EA).

[Nazgûl]

Well luckily this mod is not made for you Zimoo...

I care this much about things having to be original and unique: ____________!!!

I think it's GREAT when they are though, but the idea with a mod (for me) is to make it like you (the author/team) want/s it... and noone has copyright on mod ideas. So if someone else have done the same... well they have and that's it. I've always wanted it this way, regardless of how many others have done it or not, and I wont change the idea =p
I just wanted to know what you guys think of it. But as often, you get to be the most critizising part, which is fine. Just don't expect me to pay any attention to it

Edited by Nazgûl, 17 June 2007 - 07:17 PM.

[Lauri]

hehe, I didn't change my mind I just wanted to get rid of gobbos, and I didn't wanna make a branstorm of instead-of-EvilMen list

[Downfall]

Alright gotcha Lauri

You easily do what zimoo said without a problem.
Hell you don't really need to add another after that like Dale or Rohan or something else

Edited by Downfall, 17 June 2007 - 07:19 PM.