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[Vithar-133]

And, to remain mildly on topic, what i've been told now regarding the Elves has made me quite impatient for the next release. Damn you all! crazed.gif

All we can do is try, no? Heh.

Anyways, yeah, te new elves are quite impressive.

[Davidtwi]

i think arwen needs new attacks, maybe she could have like a ride on horse thing but instead its and eagle.

[{IP} Aridor]

Why?

[Scryer]

i think arwen needs new attacks, maybe she could have like a ride on horse thing but instead its and eagle.

If anything I think Arwen should have a strong focus in healing powers. And yes, I have said this many times on these forums.

Here's what I'm thinking, because Elrond and Glorfindel are great swordsmen this leaves a slot for a unique purpose for a hero. Elrond is already a support/leadership hero for Rivendell and both him and Glorfindel are great to have in the middle of a battle. I don't think that it would suit Arwen's character if we gave her a hardcore leadership power and some other powers (like an eagle mount...) that would make her useful as an offensive hero. My reason for this is because Arwen didn't do a whole lot of fighting in the books.

Keep in mind that there is no lore that supports Arwen as being a Healer, I just know that she didn't fight a lot in the books. From my point of view, Arwen definitely brought out the best in some characters like Aragorn.

If I remember correctly (I'm likely thinking of another mod) there are some units that do heal other units in Rivendell. Because that aspect of the game is never truly enforced, I think that Arwen could enforce that aspect with her purpose as a hero. I'm thinking that she could be a very good early-late game hero because she has healing abilities and Flood. I think she does need more powers because (like Eowyn) she seems purposeless to me at the moment.

So here's some powers that I'm thinking that the team could consider for Arwen:


Level 1: Leadership

- This would affect all of Rivendell's healing units and some horsmen.
- Basically this leadership power would increase vision (maybe by 25%) and increase defence (maybe by 25%)

or

Level 1: Leadership

- Affect all of Rivendell's healing units and some horsemen,
- Increase vision (maybe by 25%) and increase the auto-heal rate (as suggested by Vithar Megilaglar)


Level 1: Mount

- Same as before


Level 4: Blessings of Imladris (needs a better name)

- Act exactly like a heal PP power only with a smaller radius.


Level 6: Athelas

-Acts exactly like Aragorn's and Elrond's powers.


Level 8 or 9: Flood

-Same as before.


I didn't want Arwen to have a completely game-shifting leadership but at the same time I also wanted her presence in battle to be supportive in a defensive way. I didn't want her leadership power to boost other heroes' powers because at the start of the game you probably won't have Glorfindel or Elrond out. And Gamling and Hama (in Rohan) already fill the role as hero-supporters. The purpose of Arwen with this power-set is to keep units around her alive for as long as possible. The reason that I gave her leadership a vision increase is so that you can see more around you and possibly have enough time to react to your opponent (thus increasing the chances of keeping your units alive).

The reason that I added a unit healing power as opposed to Athelas for a level 4 power is because Elrond and Glorfindel are quite expensive and the player might not have them out by then. I don't have a strong opinion on this, so I can understand if the team switched this power's slot with Athelas.

I honestly have to say that I don't like Arwen getting Flood at rank 4 just because she doesn't have any other powers to fill the time. I mean Flood is suppose to be a high-ranking power... So yeah, if the team does decide to give Arwen more healing abilities, I suggest that they should move Flood to a higher level. I didn't want this power at rank 10 because I don't think it's really worth the wait.


Any criticisms?

Edited by Scryer, 25 October 2008 - 12:34 AM.

[{IRS}Athos]

I criticize your criticism of "Blessings of Imladris" as a power name. It's perfectly legit, actually pretty good.

[Vithar-133]

I criticize your criticism of "Blessings of Imladris" as a power name. It's perfectly legit, actually pretty good.

Heh.

At the moment, elven units with a banner carrier autoheal when not in combat, maybe have her increase the rate at which units begin autoheal when not in combat?

As it were, technically, Arwen shouldn't even have been in the movies as much as she was. She was mentioned a couple of time during the trilogy (books) and then largely within the covers of Fellowship.

But, I do think that have her as a healer is a good idea, and it isn't over-used, either...heck, it isn't even used...

[Davidtwi]

i think arwen needs new attacks, maybe she could have like a ride on horse thing but instead its and eagle.

If anything I think Arwen should have a strong focus in healing powers. And yes, I have said this many times on these forums.

Here's what I'm thinking, because Elrond and Glorfindel are great swordsmen this leaves a slot for a unique purpose for a hero. Elrond is already a support/leadership hero for Rivendell and both him and Glorfindel are great to have in the middle of a battle. I don't think that it would suit Arwen's character if we gave her a hardcore leadership power and some other powers (like an eagle mount...) that would make her useful as an offensive hero. My reason for this is because Arwen didn't do a whole lot of fighting in the books.

Keep in mind that there is no lore that supports Arwen as being a Healer, I just know that she didn't fight a lot in the books. From my point of view, Arwen definitely brought out the best in some characters like Aragorn.

If I remember correctly (I'm likely thinking of another mod) there are some units that do heal other units in Rivendell. Because that aspect of the game is never truly enforced, I think that Arwen could enforce that aspect with her purpose as a hero. I'm thinking that she could be a very good early-late game hero because she has healing abilities and Flood. I think she does need more powers because (like Eowyn) she seems purposeless to me at the moment.

So here's some powers that I'm thinking that the team could consider for Arwen:


Level 1: Leadership

- This would effect all of Rivendell's healing units and some horsmen.
- Basically this leadership power would increase vision (maybe by 25%) and increase defence (maybe by 25%)


Level 1: Mount

- Same as before


Level 4: Blessings of Imladris (needs a better name)

- Act exactly like a heal PP power only with a smaller radius.


Level 6: Athelas

-Acts exactly like Aragorn's and Elrond's powers.


Level 8 or 9: Flood

-Same as before.


I didn't want Arwen to have a completely game-shifting leadership but at the same time I also wanted her presence in battle to be supportive in a defensive way. I didn't want her leadership power to boost other heroes' powers because at the start of the game you probably won't have Glorfindel or Elrond out. And Gamling and Hama (in Rohan) already fill the role as hero-supporters. The purpose of Arwen with this power-set is to keep units around her alive for as long as possible. The reason that I gave her leadership a vision increase is so that you can see more around you and possibly have enough time to react to your opponent (thus increasing the chances of keeping your units alive).

The reason that I added a unit healing power as opposed to Athelas for a level 4 power is because Elrond and Glorfindel are quite expensive and the player might not have them out by then. I don't have a strong opinion on this, so I can understand if the team switched this power's slot with Athelas.

I honestly have to say that I don't like Arwen getting Flood at rank 4 just because she doesn't have any other powers to fill the time. I mean Flood is suppose to be a high-ranking power... So yeah, if the team does decide to give Arwen more healing abilities, I suggest that they should move Flood to a higher level. I didn't want this power at rank 10 because I don't think it's really worth the wait.


Any criticisms?

Arwen cant do flood so its pointless to give it to her. They just gave it to her in the movie, Gorfindale is the one that saved frodo and took him back to rivendale and gandalf and elrond made the flood horse

[Scryer]

The mod follows both the movies and the books at the same time. This is one of the places where it follows the films a little bit.

EDIT: Missed your post, Vithar .

At the moment, elven units with a banner carrier autoheal when not in combat, maybe have her increase the rate at which units begin autoheal when not in combat?

I like that idea a lot. See I would rather have her increase the rate of auto-healing in her leadership than just a defense boost. The defense boost seemed way too warrior-leader like to me when I was typing it up. SO I think this auto-healing idea of your's should go hand-in-hand with a vision boost just because I think that it would be nice if Arwen gave you more "room to breath" in battle. But that's just me. Honestly, I'd be fine if the team decided to go with this idea over my entire leadership suggestion.

Edited by Scryer, 25 October 2008 - 12:29 AM.

[Davidtwi]

how a bout a unit that rider eagles kinna like the fell beats only elfish

[Vithar-133]

That would be the essence of overpowered.

[Davidtwi]

well it could inflict the ssame damage

[{IP} Aridor]

No, Tolkien would roll over in his grave.

[Vithar-133]

Probably haunt us until we removed them...

[Elvenlord]

I'd leave Revora all together
Not really......... I'd just ignore this section

[Devon]

Welcome to the forums! While eagle riders would be cool and interesting units, they're also not true at all to the LOTR universe, and you might notice that's something of a touchy subject around here Also, elves really have enough units, so they probably won't be making it in.

[rjorrin28]

that's a bad idea, really bad, horrible. no eagle riders or i'll might punch through my monitor in frustration.

[Elvenlord]

It's a little late to be jumping on the bandwagon

[Jaguar6]

Probably haunt us until we removed them...

Please Mister Tolkein, spare us from your horrible and ghostly wrath

[mike_]

Haha, eagle riders.

[Davidtwi]

I get your point