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[Gothmog14]

Balistae are the best long range siege weapon as of now, they can aim beyond their vision, so just have some calvary go up to reveal a building and you can target it from very far back. IMO Deathbringers should go altogether, they're really stupid and them having friendly damage is even stupider (plus that knockback they have). I think Isengard should get some late game Warg Rider type of unit, like the ones with the halberds you see in the movie, as their late game unit. Also I like the idea of having tier 3 Fortress Upgrades for one or two factions, as long as it's not all of them, since they're all too similar now.

[Scryer]

The way I see it, the wildmen/dunlendings + unarmoured uruks could be your early-game units if you wanted to make Isengard become a faction that depends on mass Uruk assault for the late game. You could easily have Dunlending Axe-Throwers and Spearmen plus the Uruks would easily mount a decent defence/assaults for the early game. So long as they don't receive heavy armour (as they would be lighter units, I suppose? I'll leave this decision to you guys) I can easily see Isengard starting out with unarmoured uruks and wildmen and ending up with Wargs/Riders and heavy Uruk Infantry. This would also mean that you would have to raise the price for the Uruk Pit (to encourage this early-game set-up) and whatnot..... This is just an option that I could see working out.

My whole point with Saruman is that he wouldn't be able to hold his own against any of the other 4 wizards. He needs a stat boost, like we've all mentioned. But I honestly (and strongly) think that his last power needs to be buffed. Regarding the whole "Tower" upgrade thing.... Well I only mentioned it as another "road" that you could take with Saruman than the classic "let's buff him up a bit" approach (I'm not condemning this approach btw...) .

As much as I hate to say it, but Ballistas, Catapults, and Trebuchets should give friendly fire. Now this is on a personal note; I would like an option for Siege and Ents to only target enemy buildings.

Something needs to be done with the Ballista though.... I'm not only talking about Isengard's Ballista, but I guess I'm also talking about MOTE's Corsair Ballista as well. The only options that I see with the Ballistas is that you could either:

-Significantly increase their reload time.

or

-Increase damage against structures and a larger knockback or add a significant "splash" effect. These things suck crap against buildings (thanks EA..). At this point, you'd just wait for mines. I would like to see a damage increase against buildings. But because these things are annoying to deal with when you have units on the walls (yes, I've played and won Helm's Deep in RJ). Basically, I would like to see Ballistas become a siege weapon that can knock off units off walls and still cause some moderate damage to the structure. The way I view it; As soon as you see ballistas firing at your walls, you should start to evacuate your units off the walls before they get owned. In Helm's Deep, my archers could survive a couple of Ballista hits and still get away and get healed.

This would also make sense because (with the Catapult bounce), catapults/Giants/Rock Throwers could be more effective against structures. And Trebuchets are the Catapult's equivalent in this game. So I would think that we could get some siege that targets units on walls to give FoD's siege a change. I really don't know how this would work out.

Like I mentioned before, you could give the Ballista a better splash effect. Like the spearhead could come off and crush other units- Irdk. But what I do know is that something needs to be changed with the Ballistas so that they get more of a use out of them.

[Uruk King]

Are there any ability suggestions for Ugluk yet? if not so.

lvl 1) Leadership (25% damage and 50% speed)
lvl 3) Carnage (same as Lurtz)
lvl 5) Orc Draught (Heal all surrounding Uruks)

[Myrdin]

now that you mention it :

lvl 1) leadership ( same as yours, thats a fitting one )
lvl 4) carnige brethren - when Lurtz is near Ugluk, they both get 30% dmg bonus, increased attack and movement speed ( passive )
lvl 7) Command order - works as warchant ability ( lvl 5 pp )
lvl 10) Chop em up ( kinda weird name, but its fitting to the movie scene ) - mighty attack move against one enemy (hero/unit)



lvl 4 - i got this idea, becouse Ugluk was the true uruk hunting groupe ( the groupe who went for the ring ) leader, Lurtz ( even though he was cool ) was just movie fiction character. at wikipedia you can read that, after Lurtz was slaid Ugluk claimed his place as leader, leading the uruks back to isen. ( http://en.wikipedia....gluk#Ugl.C3.BAk )



btw, i d like to see Sharku get Summon Wargs ability ( his taim ability has too short duration ) sumoning 3 normal ( lair ) wargs to his comand

Edited by Myrdin, 06 March 2008 - 07:46 PM.

[Devon]

I just have to say, movement speeds above 30% look pretty messed up...the units use the same anims, but go really far. It's like taking one step but moving four yards or meters forward. Same thing with attack speed.

[Myrdin]

but Arnor Kodas have it . . . well i dint register that they move weird .... ?

i know what you r trying to say but, its a bit hard to imagine, coz i m still recalling the kodas



and for the leadership, well if not the speed increasing then just normal one ( 30% armor, and dmg )

but i kinda wanted to see that speed one, coz you know the movie touch was like " What is it ? what do you smell ? manflesh ! they picked up our trail, FASTER !!! ( i like that scene )

[Lauri]

What is it, what do you smell?
Manflesh..
They picked up our trail..
Let's move!



Not many that runs 30% faster.... that's near to sprinting then

[Uruk King]

Could someone reskin Lurtz one of these weeks, so that he doesn't have low res skin when you zoom in to him, mabye give him a new death anim, when he dies his head pops off like in FOTR

[Myrdin]

What is it, what do you smell?
Manflesh..
They picked up our trail..
Let's move!



Not many that runs 30% faster.... that's near to sprinting then

dont be mad people can do mistakes, but at least you understood what i ment lucky that i didnt screwed it more

[Lauri]

don't get cocky... I wasn't mad....
It's just that... <- looks too serious


and UK.... Making his head fall off is a hell of a task in animating... That's if you want it good, willing to make a new set of animations for him, and some other things... Be my guest Or rather, let RJ go on without doing any of that

Also, how awesome wouldn't it be when he loses his head because of an arrow hitting him?

[Uruk King]

don't get cocky... I wasn't mad....
It's just that... <- looks too serious


and UK.... Making his head fall off is a hell of a task in animating... That's if you want it good, willing to make a new set of animations for him, and some other things... Be my guest Or rather, let RJ go on without doing any of that

Also, how awesome wouldn't it be when he loses his head because of an arrow hitting him?

Well I don't have any animation skills as of yet. Yet you have a point, in letting RJ go with his work and not burnening him with further tasks. You also have another poit about losing his head from an arrow shot.

[Lauri]

hehe, well, to put it simply...

There are bones in the skeleton for the model... Almost all are connected to a 'parent'... The head is connected to the chest.
And, if it's gonna chop off, as in the movies (can't remember it but it's been a while ), the neck would strech to follow the head...
So, making the head fall of is easy... but the neck will follow, and it won't look like anything normal, or unormal for that matter... just ficked up

[Uruk King]

On the suggestions side of things could you mabye reduce the cost of the Isengard Clan Steading? Or replace it with a new model, cause its already being used by the Evil Men faction

[Myrdin]

thats true,


but what if you look deeper in the mists of creation, you ll find that all staff members are now fully concentrated on elves ( skinning, modeling, balancing, adding, etc etc ) soo let them finish one race first.

im sure they will move onto next one as soon as it ll be possible

[Myrdin]

Isen. lacks late game unit, so we ( i and shikary ) were thinking about this :

name ( none yet )

Late game cavalery unit, URUKS riding on HUGE GREY wargs ( if the warg were mounted by orcs, and were deadly, imagine far powerfull uruks, mounted on bigger, wilder, stronger grey wargs )

they would be a stronger wersion of cawalery, and thx to uruks bearing shields, more resistant to pikes too. Soo owerall wery wersatille unit ( full upgradeable )

[Devon]

I don't like that idea simply because Isengard wasnt focused very much on cavalry...they used em once, and not many of them, and then they were abandoned.

[Uruk King]

Agreed. You might think Isengard has no late game infantry, but don't the Dunlendings count as early game units? Cause I've been using them to swarm enemy bases in Early Game.

[Myrdin]

i myself use dunlendigs, soo i know theyr strenght against buildings, with uruks as meat shields is deadly.

and for the using of wargs.

yoda try to watch some replays of pro players ( not speaking about myself lol, im speaking about clan wars, and pro games, just google up " gamereplayes ", get to LOTR BFME ROTWK, and watch some of these )
most of isen players use warg riders early in game rushing enemy resources all around the map, then going for other buildings

this arent my thoughts, nor made up stories, i watched some of thoose replayes, thats why i m pointing on this.

oh wait a sec, dont google it, i got working link ( sorry for the mess ) http://www.gamerepla...ays.php?game=26

some of these are damn worth of watching, you can learn ( and i mean " you " as all players, myself too, not just you like you, like insult ) a lot of usefull stuff here, " upgrading you own tactics "

[Devon]

First off, thats rotwk, a very unbalanced game, not RJ RotWK Second, just because players use wargs doesn't mean they should get more of that type of unit...a lot of men players used to rush to rangers, but there's still only one ranger unit. That's because rangers weren't a large part of Gondor's army in either the books or films, and ea kept it that way. The same thing goes for Isengard. Saruman really only used wargs once, and not that many of them. I'm not saying we should stick 100% to the books or movies, but this is a place it wouldn't hurt doing. If it was up to me, I'd even remove warg pack and just give them to goblins, as it fits more. Warg riders should be lvl 1, with howl purchasable at lvl 2 pit Give them some kind of shield uruk as a late game unit.