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[Myrdin]

myrdin: rob posted a response to you in the credits forum: http://forums.revora...pic=50722&st=20

thx for telling me

[Uruk King]

Could you possible change the Palantir image for Isengard deathbringers, and rename them?

Somtehting like Uruk Dreadguards or Feral Uruk-hai.

[Myrdin]

no, uruk Deatbringers will be removed and changed for Orthanc Guard ( at least i heard soo )

[myster]

wich in my opinion is wrong cos in the books it clearly states ''saruman was smart enough too not trust the orcs and have men as orthancs guardians''.. something like that was said by merry or pippin when legolas, gimli and aragorn asked where they got all the food from.

[Myrdin]

wich in my opinion is wrong cos in the books it clearly states ''saruman was smart enough too not trust the orcs and have men as orthancs guardians''.. something like that was said by merry or pippin when legolas, gimli and aragorn asked where they got all the food from.

do Uruk Hai, Sarumans creation, which are fully loyal to him and only him, really look soo untrostworthy ? I think Saruman was proud of his creations, they were strong, durable, loyal, which is more then a barbarion of dunland could ever be.

and who is speaking about normal orcs, i would trust an orc ( lotr orc ) not even 50 cent

[myster]

neither would i trust an uruk. Even so, the books still say isengard was guarded by men.

[Uruk King]

If these Orthanc Guard are going to be men, what would RJ use to voice them?
Angmar Swordsmen?

[Myrdin]

no, they have multiple lines saing " for angmar, " or " we march for the iron crown " soo it would be stupid, if O. G. would say things like that.

myster, i dont know if it was in books and i could care less, but the thing that makes Isengard Isengard, are Uruk Hai, without them it would less atractive, next they should replace Uruk Deathbringers, and i dont think this guys will replace uruk elite unit, with mere a human ( for there are soo many human units, though not in Isen ). And lastly when someone says " elite unit " or " minihero horde " for Isengard, i immediatly think about some big, strong, heavy armored uruk hai.

this is not a point for argument just my opinion.

[Devon]

We have people working on voices for new units...and they're not really gonna be changed so to speak, just have their appearanced cleaned up and maybe given a different name.

[Myrdin]

We have people working on voices for new units...and they're not really gonna be changed so to speak, just have their appearanced cleaned up and maybe given a different name.

well such huge fix means for me ( at least ), that they gonna be changed, and yeh, gl on it, coz they look butt ugly right now ( EA shoud wear glasess coz the skin they made is . . . yuck )

if your redoing them, then pls fix the friendly fire thing, its wierd, when one horde kills itself, just coz the units in batallion start to go crazy and runs in his friends range

[myster]

myrdin, i wasnt saying that the uruk elite unit should be removed... it should just not be named orthanc guardian imo. and why wouldnt you care about the books? they are the best =)

[Myrdin]

myrdin, i wasnt saying that the uruk elite unit should be removed... it should just not be named orthanc guardian imo. and why wouldnt you care about the books? they are the best =)

as you can read somewhere, i already said: i think J.R.R Tolkien was good author, but not for my taste, you can found 3 or more other authors which suit me better ( if you are interested, coz theyre work is really good, then Google them, i think its worth it, if you are fantasy fan ) - ( im saing this, becouse i got pretty good experience with books, and i can tell that from the books i ever red, this one are the best pieces, though i could name more )

[myster]

you dont like tolkien?

[Myrdin]

pay attention to what i say, no need for me to repeat it again

[myster]

so dont repeat yourself.

My point was you dont like tolkien but you Are here and talking about tolkien lore and stuff. Why?

anyway, just because You dont like tolkien lore, doesnt mean other people also dont like tolkien. I like tolkien alot and imo everything based on tolkien should atleast have some hittingpoint with what tolkien wrote.. Imo you cant just do something because it would look cool in game, it should fit in the world tolkien created.. Otherwise it would belong in a different game..

anyway, thats just my opinion.

[Uruk King]

so dont repeat yourself.

My point was you dont like tolkien but you Are here and talking about tolkien lore and stuff. Why?

anyway, just because You dont like tolkien lore, doesnt mean other people also dont like tolkien. I like tolkien alot and imo everything based on tolkien should atleast have some hittingpoint with what tolkien wrote.. Imo you cant just do something because it would look cool in game, it should fit in the world tolkien created.. Otherwise it would belong in a different game..

anyway, thats just my opinion.

Now you're over-reacting, and misinterpreting. He said Tolkein was a great fanasy writer, he just happens to have room in his interests department for other fantasy novels or any other kind of book genre.

I'm sure Myrdin likes (or mabye loves) Tolkein lore as much as any of us here. He just prefers to interpret his thoughts differently. And further-more Myrdin's made his contribution of rational suggestions here, many of them fit almost perfectly in this game which strives to breath life into Tolkien's fantasy vision and expand it beyond the boundaries of the movie in a way which has some sense of relevance to the Jackson movies. Just remember Myrdin likes Tolkein and LotR a lot, as do you so don't try to capitalize on it.

[Myrdin]

Uruk King . . . . im touched, thank you.

you deserve ice cream from me

no, really now, but thx for the support, as you wrote, i really do love Tolkiens world, i love his lore, and i admire his skills as writer ( for im hoping to become fantasy novel writer too, soo im trying to learn from many highly admired and popular autors ). To be more precise, i really love the way Tolkien let his work open, soo if you get the licence you can create your " CaH " and create a brant new story, that is just based in Middlearth ( as my " Tale of Uruk " which sadly aint written in english, after i ll be done publishing the last part - currently 9, i hope that i have enough time to translate it, and post it in this universal language, for all thoose who like " exotic " tales, where the main hero isnt the pure evilness himself, though he was born as one of " servant of shadow " guys.

Of course i wrote i dont like him, yeh and thats true. Its kinda weird ( as you can think ) that i like his work, and hate it at the same time. I can find something good, and something bad, in each of his work ( bad i mean, that I dont like it, not like its bad coz he messed up ).
Maybe its becouse i like other fantasy as well, not only Tolkien, and i compare them without even noticing it. ( for example, if you would ask me about Witchking - for me he was a Lich, undead sorcerrec, with great power, not only - like most WK haters say - a weak human that couldnt even cross his fingers if Gandalf would challange him ). That becouse i got really huge knowledge of fantasy worlds, creatures, good ones bad ones, and if i know all this its really hard to not compare each with other ( not even speaking about creating my own stuff, adding this and that - too big fantasy, heh but its good, coz i wanna be write )

soo to finish this : Myster, if you are strict Tolkiens fann, no problem with me. If you despy other writers, no problem with me. If you dont like the way i see Tolkien and other popular writers, NO PROBLEM WITH ME.
But before you start getting " noisy " first read all what people wrote ( for i wrote at least 3 of my MOST fawourite FANTASY writers (( not even speaking about other genre of books )) soo if you care Google them out, i think its worth it ). If you areintersted i think i wrote about it in Arnor, or Gonder, dunno precisely.

Thats all what i have to say, i wont judge you, i wont insult you, i wont argue with you, no. If you care to continue in this topic ( about writers ) and ARE interested i can recomend you some " none tolkien style like " ( for example J.R. Salvatore, with his DAMN POPULAR book /around 14 just about the adventures of the main character / with really rare kind of hero - Dark Elf, "if you are known of Forgoten Realms lore - dark elves are . . . bad guys, really bad, corrupted guys", who doesnt want to be same as all of his kind.

though it might not look soo, after saing all this i fell kinda better becouse you might now better understand my reason, and not just judge me blindly, at least you now understand what i ment, and we are " clear ", without further argumentation.

sincerely Myrdin

Edited by Myrdin, 01 April 2008 - 09:16 PM.

[Scryer]

Although I'm mostly strictly "Book" with Tolkien matters. Myrdin does get me thinking outside of the box, which is refreshing (to be honest). Although I don't necessarily agree with some of his ideas, I do appreciate the new point of view. Now I don't mean to brownose or anything but instead of getting personal, just state your point and the evidence. Now, I believe that we can move on..... If you would like to discuss this topic, then just pm one of us. Because I believe that this is starting to get a little off-topic.

I am going to have to agree with Myrdin with his point about the Orthanc Guards. I think that Saruman could have had the Wildmen guard the food but I think that he would prefer a creature that is naturally stronger and more determined to kill to guard around Orthanc/Isengard. I'll let the modders decide whether they want to call them the "Orthanc Guard" or whatever. I think that these guys need a new model/skin as well as some balance tweaks worked out.

Now, I want to bring back Saruman's level 10 power that I've mentioned many times. I think that his level 10 power should be equivalent to the Lightning Strike from the Isengard Fortress. My reason, is that he would easily be killed by the other 4 wizards in the game. Not only that, but his current level 10 power is kind of pathetic.

Okay to replace the Fortress power, I suggest that the new power should enable all upgrade costs (to purchase units with and to purchase upgrades from the Armoury) should be reduced by 25% for 30 seconds. Isengard was known for mounting a quick attack, and this new fortress power is actually a little more useful than the regular attack that does massive damage. What do you guys think?

[Myrdin]

is Saruman power that weak ? hmm and i always thought its sttrong against single target, the " one strike lightning " fast took down lvl 3 mordor siege work. But i would be ok if it would get a bit stronger, for as i say, it didnt killed it just done massive dmg.

for the fortress upgrade, you are suggesting, it sounds good but its too weak, i mean for the cost ( 2000 for W.tower ). maybe if it would do 35% penalty on upgrades, and 50% of units cost ( soo you could upgrade already existing units cheaper + the fortress permanent upgrade that takes the price by 10% down soo generally it would be 45% cheaper, and at the same time you could purchase whatever units, for halved price, right now it would be usefull by DBS, pikemans, and crossbowsl, for theyr prices are increased since Rj rotwk ) . . . all this for 60 second ( not 30 becouse the units take too long to build, not like dwarfes who get super strong units in no time ). And the calldown of the power could be lik 5 mins, soo basically every isen player would try to upgrade it ( coz most people ignore fortress upgrades - not me, but most with who i spoke about it ), soo he could get for short period of time, the upper hand ( adding dangerous factor in the game, for if you would playe against Isen. player, you must be prepared that anytime, there might be waiting somewhere some dangerouus, F.Up. batallions of uruk hai ). and if 5 minutes are too much, then 10 mins. this way it would be ok ( for most races, train units at awasome speed )
they would loose long range " bombard " ability ( fortress lightning strike ), but instead of that they could get the " legendary " . . . 10 of thousand (i love that one, ), full up units

soo to make it into short cut : 35% upgrade ( + 10% permanent upgrade of fortres ) and 50% of units price for 1 minute all this cheaper ( thx to scyer who come up with the original idea, i just " upgrade " it a bit soo, its not too weak compared to the dmg, powers like great catapult, gorgonoth spire, witchking sanctum.

[Uruk King]

Concerning Saruman's level 10 power, I think it could do with a bit more deadliness, the way I see it, it could have the same devastating effect as Gandalf's Word of Power, but instead of killing enemies around him, he could target a large army or a fortress. Dealing massive damage to the fortress and wiping out the enemy force with the same devastating force as Gandalf's word of power.