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[tomy]

Hello there, I'm new here!
I am a huge fan of this mod and I have a small suggestion about MotE. I noticed that Rhun can purchase dragons. However, I don't remember Rhun having any dragons, but I'm sure that I read somewhere in The Hobbit that there were dragons in the "Last Desert", that probably is Harad. So maybe you should move the dragons to Harad. If you want I can look for the comeplete sentence and cite it for you.
Also, if you need any more lines I could think of some if you want. I would love to help this mod improve

[Shikari]

Hi tomy, thanks for your support

If you want to help, there's plenty you can do, send a PM to robnkarla, and he'll let you know.

As with the dragons, as far as my knowledge of the books goes, there is no specific place where these dragons came from. Tolkien talks about 2 breeding places for dragons, one in the withered heath, and the other in the desert sands.
As both rhun and harad were sandy desert type areas, it makes sense that the dragon's could come from either of these locations. They are not so much tied to rhun as to the men of the east faction. It is a possibility that we will allow the dragon statue to be built at the harad fortress, that makes good sense to me, so whoever you choose you can still get baby dragons.

[Myrdin]

welcome and greetings, young one ( not like i am some old phart ).

hah, welcome dude.

as for the MotE, i kinda take it a bit " territiorial ", though im not saying you cant post any new lines, i would be THANKFULL if you let me do MotE, as that i m pretty faar with them, and i hope to finish Rhun this week ( send over to you shik. ).
there is plenty of new stuff which could use some ideas ( stuff - new elven units - needs texts, same for some new mordor orc, and i doubt thats all, there will be much more ).

though if you want to post some to MotE, go on

[tomy]

welcome and greetings, young one ( not like i am some old phart ).

hah, welcome dude.

as for the MotE, i kinda take it a bit " territiorial ", though im not saying you cant post any new lines, i would be THANKFULL if you let me do MotE, as that i m pretty faar with them, and i hope to finish Rhun this week ( send over to you shik. ).
there is plenty of new stuff which could use some ideas ( stuff - new elven units - needs texts, same for some new mordor orc, and i doubt thats all, there will be much more ).

though if you want to post some to MotE, go on

It's okay if you want to do it yourself, I understand
By the way, the lines you have already made are awesome!

[tylerman29]

i agree ..you get the rhun voice medal

[Myrdin]

heh, sounds nice

enough guys, dont overdo it with the gratulations, or i might get cocky

[Myrdin]

sorry for double posting, but this has nothing to do with the yesterday one, soo i didnt want to use " Edit " hope you understand it.


as for some time already i was not satisfied whenever playing MotE with one thing, that puffs out on you immediatly from beggining : THE LOADING SCREEN SOUNDTRACK.

its just discusting, and doesnt reall suit to MotE ( now guys, dont wanna be rude - i know you had to use " anything " to begin with, soo dont take this harsh, just as a tip " what to do when we get some time " ), though same goes for Dwarfes.

well to make loong story short - i had one song in mind for pretty loong, but just recently i was able to find it, i think this kind of theme could suit the Men of the East,
enjoy:


or other one, with a bit slower pace from same interpret,
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

if you imagine MotE ( especially harad ) unit animation with this - pretty cool

Edited by Myrdin, 06 June 2008 - 06:08 PM.

[Allathar]

The loading screen and overall game music has been discussed - we were planning to give an overhaul to all the faction music, but we decided not to because of the whole copyright issues. So we are limited to music already in-game currently.

Edited by Allathar, 06 June 2008 - 06:16 PM.

[Myrdin]

well, basically - giving fans the edit tools is like telling them " do what you want " the only problem should occour if you would plan on selling Rj Rotwk.

as for MotE - its absolutely new game faction, and as it is, there should be any problem. moreover, MotE already has one of thoose themes at loading soo basically you are already doing what you wanted to awoid. Soo it doesnt really matter if you change it or not
- this is ment ONLY for the whole new factions ( not Rohan, since he was a regular faction at BFME ), and propably Arnor too, as he was just a half done non playable faction only with units and heroes ( no buildings ).

soo as for these two i think there shouldnt be any problem.



btw - just currious, what do you think about the song i picked ? , tried to choose such that would suit H and R at same time, though its a bit more to the Harad side. I knew this soundratk for some time already, but finally someone uploaded it on ytube

[Fyro11]

The second one didn't seem relevant tbh. The first one seemed to match, especially the part 1:10 to about 1:30.

[Myrdin]

the second one is more thought for the ingame time where you dont fight ( each races has two diferent styled themes, one during battle, and one during " peace ).

btw " Im glad you joined our legion, brother Haradrim "

Edited by Myrdin, 06 June 2008 - 07:54 PM.

[shadowcreature]

A shame these music won't be used. I thought they would fit quite well. The 1st one I thought fit both Harad and Rhun since they both do war chants. The 2nd one the title sounds Harad yet sounds Rhun oddly.

But back on topic for me. Is anything changed reagarding who gets poison upgrades for Harad?

[Scryer]

Definitely going to have to go with the first song. But like Allathar said, unless the RJ team had the rights to the song they can't use it. I think that the only songs that you can use without getting permission from the band/singer are "Royalty Free" songs. <Don't take that as a concrete fact though.

Continuing:

I haven't heard anything regarding the arrow-upgrade for either sub-faction in MOTE. In my opinion, so long as there's only one arrow upgrade (for both factions or for either sub-faction) I'm fine with it since MOTE doesn't solely depend on its arrow upgrade (*cough*Elves and the Silverthorn Arrow upgrade in ROTWK *cough*). At the moment, I believe that you can purchase both a fire arrow upgrade and a poison arrow upgrade for an archer unit in MOTE (correct me if I'm wrong)?

[shadowcreature]

@Scryer

Yes there such upgrades you mentioned. The fire and poison arrow upgrades are available for Harad. Rhun has Barbed Arrows. In the current public beta however, Haradrim Archers arrows don't change to the upagrade you choose for whatever reason. Same for Rhun's archers and Wainriders, stranger more so. I was actually referring to the Poison Blade upgrade. Currently, Haradrim Guard and Lancers(cavalry) have them. I'm wondering if any changes will be made concerning the upgrade such as whos going to lose or get it.

Edited by shadowcreature, 06 June 2008 - 11:30 PM.

[mike_]

The loading screen and overall game music has been discussed - we were planning to give an overhaul to all the faction music, but we decided not to because of the whole copyright issues. So we are limited to music already in-game currently.

No offence mate...but if anyone - EA, the Tolkein Estate, New Line, etcetera - are going to threaten us with legal action, they would've done it a long time ago.

[myster]

The loading screen and overall game music has been discussed - we were planning to give an overhaul to all the faction music, but we decided not to because of the whole copyright issues. So we are limited to music already in-game currently.

No offence mate...but if anyone - EA, the Tolkein Estate, New Line, etcetera - are going to threaten us with legal action, they would've done it a long time ago.

it would probably the copyright from the music they are concerned of..

[Myrdin]

i have to ask one question.

the first song - it was used as one of the dvd bonuses in game magazine Level ( and pretty loooooong time ago, around 2/3 years, or more ).
i own this particullar print, and the bonus dvd too - there were more than this one song.

soo i have to ask - if it was accesable as a bonus dvd with game magazine, does that mean we can use it ?

if you need proof, i can borrow camera next weak and take screens of the magazine, and dvd

[Allathar]

I'm sorry, Myrdin. The music was good, and while I'm 99,9 % sure we won't get sued or something like that if we used other than the in-game music, Rob decided it'd be better if we currently do it with just the in-game music.

Sorry, I've missed something with this thread. But remember, the mod has had the opportunity and probably will in the future as well to be distrubuted on a magazine and the cover cd. The laws are different in each country and this really is an area I'd rather stay clear of until the last moment. I don't want to cut off any opportunities. That is unless I misread something here.

So please just make sure to stay with the audio in game for music. If you look at how this works, from a straight-forward point of view - so far we probably have at least 10,000 people downloading the mod and including music tracks really would be a very fine line of distributing material that can be used outside of the game and a line that I don't want to get close to.

Robert J.

Edited by Allathar, 07 June 2008 - 12:24 PM.

[Dalf32]

getting sued is the last thing that we (or any mod for that matter) needs. even if we dont make money off of the mod we are still distributing any music that is packaged with it and taking outside music other than say the birthday song (referring to public domain songs taht scryer was talking about) is illegal.

[tomy]

I'm sorry if this has been asked before but, will the AI be able to play using MotE in the next beta?

Edited by tomy, 10 June 2008 - 08:16 PM.