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[radical]

aye i think its best to keep osgiliath and minas tirth separate, but i think it would be a good idea to have a osgiliath map were you have to try stop the orc invasion, before the siege of MT and then you have to get faramir back to minas tirth at the end and how many u get back u keep them for a charge out at the start of the siege. another idea would be to take back osgiliath with borimir and farimir take it back, before borimir goes off to rivendell. just some idea guys.

[Myrdin]

aye i think its best to keep osgiliath and minas tirth separate, but i think it would be a good idea to have a osgiliath map were you have to try stop the orc invasion, before the siege of MT and then you have to get faramir back to minas tirth at the end and how many u get back u keep them for a charge out at the start of the siege. another idea would be to take back osgiliath with borimir and farimir take it back, before borimir goes off to rivendell. just some idea guys.

and wery good idea, i like it much.
i just asked about them to be togather, only coz i wanted to see if the Knights of Gondor could be used somehow ( like in movie )

nad towerguard, wery good point at that, i d like to have the markers back too

[radical]

maybe there could be a face off between the witch king and gandalf, and u have to do this before you can summon the rohan reinforcements, or maybe a little cut scene, maybe am getting a head of myself lol o well i suppose its not up to us lol

[Scryer]

I would like to see the Witchking's AI try to pick some fights with Gandalf but I don't think that a whole battle sequence would be needed.

A while back I had suggested doing Osgiliath in two parts. My original idea was that the in the first part, you'd defend Osigiliath from attackers on the east side of the city. Basically you'd repel Mordor's attacks (and at this point) I was thinking that Frodo and Sam could be around at this time. The other heroes that you'd get would be Damrod and Faramir. Anyways for the second part of Osgiliath (Which would occur after a couple of more missions) you'd have Faramir, Damrod (if he's still in the game), and Boromir and you'd have to defend from massive waves of orcs.

Now I have a hard time imagining where an Osgiliath mission would fit where Boromir and Faramir fought togethor before Boromir left for Rivendell, assuming that Rob is going to keep the Moria mission as a starter. Although, I know that I would find it really cool, I just don't think that it could be fit anywhere.

For the campaign where you get to move armies around: I think that if we wanted to prevent the sudden "Faction-Switch" that BFME1 created when you finished defending Helm's Deep, that we could have all of Gondor's armies start out at Minas Tirith (except one army is at Osgiliath) and the player could move them out to other regions and possibly fight there.

I would get more in depth with my Osgiliath ideas and my Gondor-Camapign ideas but I'm really replying to talk about Minas Tirith.

Firstly, I wouldn't want Minas Tirith to be done in seperate parts. It just has to be one big battle or that's atleast what I think. Anyways I was thinking that it could be possible to have the mission start with Faramir, Damrod (assuming that he's in...), Boromir, as well as other horsemen, soldiers, rangers, etc getting chased by 4 Flying Nazgul. Your goal would be to kill the 4 Nazgul (These 4 wouldn't include the WK) and after you're done that, the Mordor timer starts and so does the Rohirrim timer. This would give Gandalf a quick chance to xp a little and it would add some more units to place on your walls if you saved them from the Nazgul. The Nazgul will be replaced in the waves, by the way.

I think that this would do the whole "Escape from Osgiliath" some justice.

I don't know about you guys but I think that Pelennor Fields should be a little bit larger than the ROTWK map. I imagine that once the Rohirrim charge into Pelennor Fields that the Gondor/Rohan player would have to deal with Mordor's Fortresses with the arrival of the Rohirrim... unless the team is just making this assault a "Survive the waves" mission - which I doubt.

Another map thing that I wanted to mention was that I would like a little bit of the Anduin river in the very southwest corner of the map. Enough to fit in 10 Unit carrying ships. I would like to see this in because Aragorn could actually spawn from a Corsair ship. Maybe this would be taking it too far? But I think that it's possible.... I would understand if this idea was contradicted though.

Edited by Scryer, 10 April 2008 - 02:06 AM.

[Myrdin]

i think there could be a couple of maps ( 5 exactly ), not really too long, that would tell this story :

how each hero of Fellowship, with his party came to rivendell
( for example, you get a mission for dwarfs, elfes humnas and all 4 hobbits togateher, each mission would be short-medium, soo you can beat it under 30 minutes)

soo basically the hobbits would get mission in which they would have to get from shire, to rivendell ( hiding in the inn, running from nazghulls, and the big finish, fight at Amon Hen )
Boromir would be doing the mission which Scryer suggested - the foundaition of Osgiliath, before he left to rivendell
Gimly - . . . . maybe some travel underground, in mines, battling with few goblins on the way )
Legolas - . . im not much in the elf stuff, soo i rely on you guys to get some nice plot here
And Gandalf - who would have to fight some hordes, and then saruman ( ending with sequence in which he escaped from Orthanc )

soo basically this would be something like prolog ( like Last Alliance is prolog in the movie ) for the foundaition of Fellowship

[radical]

thats a great idea myrdin, i think it would be cool instead of the hobbits having to get to rivndell, there is a short weathertop bit then your arwen with frodo and you have to flee to the river, being chased by the ringwraiths. i would love to see the wizards duel between gandalf and saruman maybe legolas could run into some orc rabble from dol guldur?

[Myrdin]

yeh sounds good, coz my " elfology " isnt that big soo i dont know what mission he could do

[Myrdin]

Legolas did hunt Gollum in Mirkwood ? i think saw somehting like that that written somewhere, but did it really happen ?

[Puppeteer]

is that when the Mirkwood Elves captured him, and was imprisoned by Thranduil?

[Devon]

Gandalf and Aragorn captured gollum (I don't think in mirkwood) and imprisoned him there, legolas game to rivendell to tell them that he had escaped.

[Iluvatar]

Well as far as I can remember, it were mirkwood elves not especially Legolas though it would't be unrealsitic that he was sent by his ather with some other elves, tracking Gollum down..but they failed cuz Aragorn caught him and after he was caught Gollum espcaped, and was caught by frodo and sam in Emyn Muil(correct me if I'm wrong it's quite long time ago I read the books starting to forget>reason to read it again (love that book, read it now about 7times:)..but you can do a mission with Legolas in mirkwood, when a lot of orcs come to resque gollum, and you'll have to stop them? (I'm sorry for my crappy English:$)

Thx Jakob J.

ps. Is there anything clear when it'll be relaesed, cant wait play with the elves, or to do this capain it als sounds great

[Devon]

The next version of the beta will probably be soon....it's been three months since the last. Rob just released a version to the team a couple days ago, so probably not more than a month I'd say. If you mean the campaign....that'll be in a later version of the mod, after all the factions are mostly done. If you mean the final version of the mod....no idea

[Funbomb]

About the extra missions you can put them where the prologue space was but recall it "Extra Battles" and you could get to play out some of those battles you mentioned Myrdin and Scryer

[Iluvatar]

Thx a lot:D Well I meant next beta version:) But the additional info is cool to know to:)! Well it's getting late here tomorrow school:/ so byebye again:P and thx again;)!
See You Around

[Scryer]

thats a great idea myrdin, i think it would be cool instead of the hobbits having to get to rivndell, there is a short weathertop bit then your arwen with frodo and you have to flee to the river, being chased by the ringwraiths. i would love to see the wizards duel between gandalf and saruman maybe legolas could run into some orc rabble from dol guldur?

The Wizard's duel would be fun! I have always wanted to see more of Fellowship of the Ring included in the campaign other than the Moria, Lothlorien, and Amon-Hen fights. I'm not sure how you would work that in because I can't quite see Gandalf walking into Isengard and picking a fight with Saruman. Maybe he could fight some uruks/wildmen before he entered the Ring of Isengard? I don't think that this mission could take place inside Orthanc because it would be hell to code and it would probably cause a lot of problems.

The problem with the whole Aragorn + Hobbits going to Weathertop and the Nazgul Chasing Arwen is that it would need to be a mission split up into different maps... And I know that coding is hell in the LWM when you try to make new regions or so I've been told. I imagine that you would be doing a mission in Amon-Sul (or hopefully the remains of Amon-Sul a.k.a Weathertop) and you'd have to defend your hobbits from the 9 (who'd all be level 1 of course (except the WK, I think that he should be level 2)). After like 3 attack them, more come and then Aragorn arrives on the scene. I don't know about you guys but I think that Gandalf should stay out of this mission because he's already getting one in Isengard (this is assuming that this stuff is in). I realize that this isn't following the book closely but I'm pretty sure that Gandalf does not need to be there because it could make him a lot more powerful than the rest of the heroes. I would also like to see some orcs or wildmen attack the fellowship here just to make this mission a little more interesting. Plus if Arwen joined them, she could level up too which would be nice seeing as she's not too handy yet....

Before I forget, I think that making frodo mount a horse with Arwen for one mission might screw some things up with her later on in the game.

Not only that but what would all of the other factions be doing? In my opinion if all of this prologue stuff (so to speak) was implemented before the Moria mission, what would the other regions be doing besides Isengard, Mordor, and Gondor? I know that there was activity during this time, but it would really cut down the number of missions that you could do with each faction. Of course there is the alternative - which would be not implementing any missions and activity for any other faction other than Gondor, Mordor, Isengard, and possibly Mirkwood.

Now I have some beef with an early Osgiliath mission with Boromir.... With this in, I would like to see all of the fighting in Osgiliath in 3 parts assuming that there's a mission with Boromir. There are a few reasons as to why I'd like to see this mission done in 3 parts:

-My first reason is that it would give the player the feel that there was a lot of fighting in Gondor during the War of the Ring. If I remember correctly there were quite a few battles in Osgiliath during the WOTR.

-My second reason is that (in part 2) it would would work Frodo and Sam into Osgiliath and it would give them a chance to level up a bit. Osgiliath would provide some leveling up for a lot of heroes, to be honest. For example; In part 1, you'd have Faramir, Boromir, and Damrod leveling up; In part 2, you'd have Frodo, Sam, Faramir, and Damrod levelling up; And in part 3, you'd have Boromir Faramir, and Damrod levelling up. A lot of levelling up would be done in Osgiliath and therefore, it would increase Gondor's heroes' potency for MT and the Black Gates. Not only that but you would be slowly introduced to the Flying Nazgul and how Mordor fights - I know, this really isn't a point. But at this particular time, I always believed that Mordor was more conservative except for when they fought and took over Osgiliath.

-My third reason would be that Osgiliath would provide an army for Minas Tirith, assuming that you'd retreat them to MT.

*Keep in mind that these are just ideas to toss around...*

On a side note: There definitely needs to be some kind of walkthrough made so that you don't accidentally avoid important campaign missions with the LWM campaign(s).

Edited by Scryer, 10 April 2008 - 05:15 AM.

[Myrdin]

for the wizard duel i was thinking something like this :

remember the balrog gandalf figt ?

it was in restricted area.

soo we would model up " inside " of orthanc ( just some dark room, with some deco. ) and it would begin with the sequence where gandalf understands that saruman has gone crazy and attacked him

as much as i like the idea of 9 nazghuls fighting against 4 hobits and aragorn at weather top, it would need damn balancing for the nazghuls would easaly defeat them ( even aragorn cant handle all 9 of them ). This mission was a game LOTR Fellowship of the ring, adventure, with rpg style. I think ( not sure ) that this was in the rpg Return of the king. The point is that you had there full control of your heroe, + combos and items :( but in strategy game like this he would loose ( you cant run around harras them, till you get back your hp, and such stuff ). as much as it sounds good, the only way i see this to happen, is to create weaker " campaing " nazghul wersion for this mission, but i think the big effort and amount of coding just isnt worth it

[Puppeteer]

are we following the books or the movies? because if the books we could use Glorfindel taking Frodo to Rivendell instead

[Srg Insane]

are we following the books or the movies? because if the books we could use Glorfindel taking Frodo to Rivendell instead

I agree with Puppeteer, we should use Glorfindel instead of Arwen just to do some good justice to the book fans!
Now on to the Minas Tirth battle, one thing that we should really include is the Knights of Dol Amroth and Gondors southern armys, in the book The Return of the King they came to aid Minas Tirth in its time of need and they had quite a force from,what i counted in the book 1600 men from the south came to aid. Thats quite force and it would shame not to include it!

[radical]

how about instead of all the fellowship getting individual mission how about we just add some bits before they enter moria, like the road to moria, fighting off goblins and wargs and at the end you would have to fight the watcher. and the path of caradhras would be a good map.