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[Myrdin]

sam rules

[Puppeteer]

I think we can all agree that Sam is not a good contender to be a ring bearer though... who wants to recruit a hobbit when at the moment they can recruit the fabled elven storm queen

[Myrdin]

. . . i would like to - just for the fun ( newer liked galdriel as ring hero, sauron is closer to my heart )

[Devon]

I think we can all agree that Sam is not a good contender to be a ring bearer though... who wants to recruit a hobbit when at the moment they can recruit the fabled elven storm queen

The council of Elrond, obviously. I'm not saying sam would be good though Just brining it up.

[Funbomb]

Maybe put him as easter egg ring hero?

[robnkarla]

Well I thought I'd post this here to give everyone an idea of what works right now:

(I'll use Gandalf as an example):

- Heroes only can pick up the ring (Change)

- When Gandalf picks up the ring, his stance button is moved to a different slot (so you can still change them with shortcuts) and it is replaced with a ring button

- When clicked, Gandalf "uses" the ring (Right now I have that wait for ~2 seconds. We can increase if we want, I just wanted to leave enough time to cancel if you want for right now.)

- Once used all powers regardless of level are available. (i.e. Word of power can be used at level 1.)

- I'm planning on then switching the ring/stance button with a switching commandset which will the open up "ring" powers - so up to 5 ring powers if we want. I've not done this, but this should be a piece of cake, really. If I can't then I'll just switch for 1 power and maybe switch out different powers for better ones.

- When the ring is used a countdown timer starts. The time is set by hero, and it is not displayed as you don't know when the corruption will start.

- Once the countdown ends, the ring corrupts Gandalf, doing some constantly over time. How much damage and how often is also by hero. Also the hero's damage is increased, armor is decreased, xp gained is decreased.

- Once the ring finally kills the hero it is dropped and others can pick it up.

- When the hero respawns, he respawns without the power of the ring, but can re-use it/pick it up again if you desire.

This system is in addition to the ability to take it back to the fortress. Right now I have not changed the ring heroes, though I wil remove the ring hero for many factions and replace with other options.

Robert J.

p.s. This system is immensely complex in coding, and I've had to try probably at least 30+ different coding options/combinations to find something that will work and not conflict with what is already in game for the ring and for the heroes. Shikari and others can attest to how long I've been working on this and the number of bugs I've had to sort through, so much of the decision making on what I've done is driven by what is possible. Probably a couple weeks ago, I would've said even this is not possible, but I figured out ways to get it to work thought quite intricate. (Just think of the number of places where things could go wrong and triple it to get an idea of bugs to sort out.)

[Myrdin]

can i have a question ?

after ring is picked up, allows to use all hero spells, not caring about lvl . . . yes i get this
but the thing i want to ask
thats all ?

i mean all powers . . . good, . . . and ? at least halfed coldown, or stats increase or something more, becouse if i pick it up, with lvl 10 hero i wont gain a thing . . .

- i get, that after he gets corrupted he will get stats increse.
soo no need to expalin this to me.

i just want to say, if i have . . . lets say Aragorn lvl 10 ( all powers gained ), and have no other hero in game ( and cant wait till one comes out, for enemy might sieze the ring ), i pick it up wit Aragorn . . . .
and thats it. . . . . . nothing gained, . . . . for i got full lvled up A.
the only positive thing is that enemy cant take the ring . . . . but i cant dissmiss it too, soo practically - i sacrificed LVL 10 Aragorn just to hinder the enemy getting ring for some time . . . .

sorry but it sounds kinda sad, nothing gained, and even loosing a hero ( though temporally, it can turn the side of battle ).

If i did missunderstand it myself then please correct me

Edited by Myrdin, 08 May 2008 - 08:02 PM.

[robnkarla]

That is just one piece. The goal would be for the hero to also gain an arsonal of powers.

- I'm planning on then switching the ring/stance button with a switching commandset which will the open up "ring" powers - so up to 5 ring powers if we want. I've not done this, but this should be a piece of cake, really. If I can't then I'll just switch for 1 power and maybe switch out different powers for better ones.

When using the ring, the hero will be stronger than a level 10 hero, so there is a definite advantage of using the ring at any level.

Robert J.

[Myrdin]

ok thx, thats the info i needed.




but then another thing is needed to be asked . . . . . will this remove Sauron from game ? . . . ( please noooo )

[robnkarla]

No it will not remove Sauron from the game. Any faction that has a nazgul will be able to bring Sauron (Mordor, MotE, & Angmar).

Robert J.

[alin10bigg]

any faction that has a nazgul? what about the gobs and isengard?

[Myrdin]

the best choice for them is ( in my opinion ) to pick it up with Drogoth ( uber buffed Drogoth sounds cool, but still dont like the idea of sacrificing him - you cant remove the ring ? can you ? )
and for Iseng its Saruman - though i must say this - can Saruman get a set of whole new powers after he picks up the ring ?
something REALLY cool to witness and REALLY cool to be used.
or the will he be able to " mount Orthanc " or will he be able to do that even without the ring ( uniques for Isen ).

. . . or he will just get all his lame power, and some buff like the exampled Gandalf ( buhee i want to see uber cool Saruman - i know i know, saying " i want " is childish, but you guys will " want " it too, if you imagine Saruman with ring )

[robnkarla]

Ideally, I want to be able to give new powers to each hero based on their ability to use the ring. So Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Elrond, Galadriel, Glorfindel, & Aragorn would probably gain the most from picking up the ring. I want to get the switching commandset so that you can have up to 5 new powers. Some would just have 1 or 2 (like the hobbits) and others would have 3-5.

Robert J.

Edited by robnkarla, 09 May 2008 - 05:13 PM.

[Myrdin]

sounds pretty cool rob, i wish you luck
( in case you need ideas for the spells im always awailable - i like to create new stuff, for Warcraft i created like 200 new spells in in 3 months - 25 got in map ive done ( and like 60 are on writen on paper soo i wont forget them ), soo anytime you have too much work, and wont have ideas, just tell me hero, and how many powers you wish to create for him - as i said, ideas are the only thing ( if not bug list counted in ) i can help you gyus with


btw : Am i the only one that finds funny that one of the five istary bears a name of beer ? ( Radegast . . . lol )

[Puppeteer]

Yeah...
Anyway, perhaps the higher the level the more the hero resists the corruption? Like they lose more health so there is an incentive to use a levelled-up hero instead of a level 1.

[Devon]

Hey, that's a pretty good idea.

[Rafv Nin IV]

Wow...this sounds like a mod in itself, because now you've got to do separate ring powers for every hero

I like Puppeteer's suggestion, but I don't know anything about modding, so my opinion doesn't really do much

[myster]

the best choice for them is ( in my opinion ) to pick it up with Drogoth ( uber buffed Drogoth sounds cool, but still dont like the idea of sacrificing him - you cant remove the ring ? can you ? )
and for Iseng its Saruman - though i must say this - can Saruman get a set of whole new powers after he picks up the ring ?
something REALLY cool to witness and REALLY cool to be used.
or the will he be able to " mount Orthanc " or will he be able to do that even without the ring ( uniques for Isen ).

. . . or he will just get all his lame power, and some buff like the exampled Gandalf ( buhee i want to see uber cool Saruman - i know i know, saying " i want " is childish, but you guys will " want " it too, if you imagine Saruman with ring )

you cant pick up an object with a flying hero in rotwk.. atleast that is what i thought.

[Dalf32]

im pretty sure youre right myster; same as how flying heros cant capture buildings. that might be a problem for the gobbos as they are the only faction with a non-unmountable hero (i think).

[Devon]

They still have gorkil, azog, shelob, the trolls, and that walking dragon thing...