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[Silent_Killa]

what I don't get about you Hybrid is you expect people to shoot down unarmed airliners full of innocent civilians without being 100% sure it's the right thing to do... lets face it, if the airliners were shot down, you'd be complaining about the US government doing that

Edited by Silent_Killa, 22 March 2005 - 10:48 PM.

[MSpencer]

Actually, yes he would. It's simply because people don't have anything better to do than to chastize the countries that do their best during times of crisis.

[BlckWyerve]

Hindsight is always 20/20. People will always point out mistakes after the fact.

[Comrade Kal]

Unless it's their own country's mistake.

[Tom]

A moral dillema was on the hands of these men, they took more time that nessercary and more lives were lost when many could have been saved. I know this is hindsight but its jsut another suggestion of what could have been done at the time. I understand they didn't know what was going on and everyone was probably panicing, but at the choice shooting down your own hijacked civilian jets to save more lives i see was a possibility. I know they didn't, i know i'm looking at this in hindsight and i don't understand what fully happened that day, but no one really does. No one knows exactly what happened on those planes, no one knows who authorized anything or who didn't act in time. The only people that know that are Dick Cheney, the FBI and possibly bush. What has happened, happened and i'm sorry if i offend any of you for making suggestions on what possibly could have been done different, but you'll find in time historians will be repeating things like this or making their own theroies of what really happened that day. You can't get pissed off becuase people are suggesting other ideas of views, it is going to happen anyway.

[MSpencer]

And yet, the people who stole the airplanes and killed hundreds of people and no known terrorists would still get the death penalty (treason = capital punishment, stealing jet, killing civilians = treason).

[Comrade Kal]

Personally, I don't think anyone would have shot them down. You wouldn't have guessed it was going to be a suicide attack, unless they leapt on the plane and announced their plans before they carried them out.

[MSpencer]

Well I'm glad we agree on one thing.
Nobody in their right mind would risk the rest of their life to steal a fighter and probably get shot down by your own air defense net leaving Andrews as a terrorist. The country was chaotic on September 11th.

[Comrade Kal]

No-one would have guessed that they were going to fly into the twin towers. They probably thought it was just a hostage situation, in which case, you don't shoot the plane down in flames. I think there are many grey areas of September 11th, but the plane not being shot down isn't one of them.

[Tom]

They could have had planes up there if they thought it was a hostage situation. I'm sorry but i don't see how it took 34 minutes to get the bloody "chain of command" to respond when peoples lives are at risk.

[Silent_Killa]

because we didn't know what they were going to do... even if it did go through the chain of command, you're asking people to order fighter pilots to shoot down a civilian airliner over a major city off of the possiblity of a suicide attack

[Comrade Kal]

If it takes 34 minutes to mobilise fighters, yes, that's ridiculous. But they would've only realised at the last minute what was going to happen, and even if they shot them down then there probably would have been just as many casualties, if not more.

[Blodo]

But they could at least give the order for the fighters to be in the air, and follow the airliner. Then after processing order missiles could be fired in the blink on an eye. Not doing that makes it seem that the us airforce was sitting on its ass all the time doing nothing. If suddenly an invasion by air was confirmed, would it take you 34 minutes too just to fly up and see how your cities are bombed to death? Then put the blame on the chain of command. Good show...

[Silent_Killa]

But they could at least give the order for the fighters to be in the air, and follow the airliner. Then after processing order missiles could be fired in the blink on an eye. Not doing that makes it seem that the us airforce was sitting on its ass all the time doing nothing. If suddenly an invasion by air was confirmed, would it take you 34 minutes too just to fly up and see how your cities are bombed to death? Then put the blame on the chain of command. Good show...

please, if it was a Tu-22M or some other type of bomber it would have been shot down before it got over American soil... the problem is this wasn't a bomber, we did not know what they were going to do untill the last second what they were going to do, and by then it would have been to late... firing a missile while an airplane is over a major city, and right by the target isn't a huge help

[Deathblow Luc]

thousands of lives aren't taken lightly, this isn't a third world country

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Being myself native from a third world country, i dont see why thousands of lives wouldnt be taken as hardly here as in any 1st world country. Lives are lives.

I just popped in to drop a phrase. War moves industry.

[Hostile]

Hybrid I do have to ask what are you on? Abortion is already legal here. And what of 2 trillion dollars on board an airplane. We'll just print more.

Sometimes you do come off with some goofball answers Tom...

[Silent_Killa]

Being myself native from a third world country, i dont see why thousands of lives wouldnt be taken as hardly here as in any 1st world country. Lives are lives.

er, wait, huh? I wasn't saying anybodies life was worth less, I was saying that some people value life more than others... I'm not saying that all third world countries are like this either, I was just generalizing

[Blodo]

please, if it was a Tu-22M or some other type of bomber it would have been shot down before it got over American soil... the problem is this wasn't a bomber, we did not know what they were going to do untill the last second what they were going to do, and by then it would have been to late... firing a missile while an airplane is over a major city, and right by the target isn't a huge help

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But for the love of god they could've been in the air ready to fire. If i was talking about shooting down first sight, id mention sam sites but obviously that would not work from the reasons you stated above. They couldve at least moved their arse to escort the plane until the order is given, not scramble after some 30 minutes when its worthless effort then.

[Tom]

I'm not saying no one cared. The whole country was shook hard by 9/11, same as Britain and same as many other countries in the world. I was saying what is a couple of thousand lives to elitests? Its nothing, they don't really care about those people, the evidence is the way they have used 9/11 and distorted it to support the war on Iraq. I'm sorry its a sensitive subject i think i'll shut up now...

Hybrid I do have to ask what are you on? Abortion is already legal here. And what of 2 trillion dollars on board an airplane. We'll just print more.

Sometimes you do come off with some goofball answers Tom...

Yeah its the dope, Blair just declassified weed yet again, think its getting to me...

[MSpencer]

I'm sorry its a sensitive subject i think i'll shut up now...

Take your conspiracy theories and go to hell. Really, it's just getting stupid at this point. We take factual information, and give it to you, and you keep going on and on and on about the elitists, the Kennedy assasination, and the US military purposely blowing up the Pentagon.
Please open up your damn eyes and realize that there was no possible way to clear the use of fighters from Andrews within 20 minutes unless it's during war time.

Also, a Tu-22M probably wouldn't get within 100 miles of the coast. We have EWRs up at Iceland and all along the coast, and they're trained to work with interceptor squadrons of F-15Cs and Es (but mainly Cs).