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[Devon]

I don't think it's really needed, but whatever

[CIL]

I think we REALLY need to overhaul () the stats of the Elven heroes. Galadriel may have awesome powers, as may Elrond, but they have offensively low stats, and they get knocked down too easily. Elrond and Galadriel should be completely immune to being knocked over. Their best powers can only be used once every 5 minutes, and that doesn't really matter if they A. can't get to level 10 or B. can't stay alive even after reaching level 10.

Canonically, Elrond wasn't just a spellcaster, he was also one of the greatest warriors of the Elves, easily rivaling or possibly surpassing Glorfindel in martial skill. Galadriel was also able to tear down the walls of Dol Guldur single-handedly (although it had been purged of enemies). Seriously, having Elrond or Galadriel getting killed by a troll? That's not canonical; Galadriel was arguably the most powerful of the Noldor after Feanor fell. What makes you think she couldn't simply crush someone like she crushed the walls of Dol Guldur?

[shadowcreature]

I agree that the Heroes should be tinkered around, namely the leaders of each realm. They should be quite formidable in battle imo.

[{IRS}Athos]

*Not canonical, again... please come up with a different reason once in awhile.*

Sure, they aren't great, but they aren't terrible either. Perhaps a cost reduction would offset being... killable.

[Haldir74]

Hi, I also replied in MotE. I liked that you split the Elves, but I'm not sure about the idea of being able to then get those same Elves of Lorien out of the Rivendell Baracks. In other words, why should you be able to buy Lorien units out of the Rivendell barracks and vice versa if you have split the elves. Doesn't that get rid of the reason for splitting them in the first place? I hope in future updates of the mod you make the elves and the MotE for that matter more like the MotW in the matter of separating the factions into full blown Wood and High Elves and Harad and Rhun for MotE.

Haldir74

[{IRS}Athos]

Hi, I also replied in MotE. I liked that you split the Elves, but I'm not sure about the idea of being able to then get those same Elves of Lorien out of the Rivendell Baracks. In other words, why should you be able to buy Lorien units out of the Rivendell barracks and vice versa if you have split the elves. Doesn't that get rid of the reason for splitting them in the first place? I hope in future updates of the mod you make the elves and the MotE for that matter more like the MotW in the matter of separating the factions into full blown Wood and High Elves and Harad and Rhun for MotE.

Haldir74

Men of the East and Elves have unique methods for splitting into subfactions, and the mod shouldn't lose that. The reason for splitting them is so that you need to concentrate on a certain faction early on. Each faction is unique: Mirkwood has the best stealth, Rivendell has the best melee, and Lorien, in the words of someone here, is a "happy medium". The same goes for Men of the East: Harad concentrates on light infantry and cavalry supplemented by Mumakil, while Rhun has heavier troops supplemented by their magic units. Too many factions, if not executed correctly, will spoil the mod. I believe this is a case of that, and rob handled it admirably.

[CTLN7]

lorien isnt an "happy medium" it has very good archers with very good range and stealthy base

[Haldir74]

Thank you again, Ranger, I never thought of it like that. However, should Rivendell truly be able to access all of the the Lorien troops and vice versa.

Haldir74

[Devon]

That's symbolizing the close-knittedness (lol) of the elven kingdoms. They were ready to march to eachothers aid as soon as the need arose. We also didn't want to limit you to only one of the subfactions for units, though we did that for buildings.


As it is, you still have to buy a fortress upgrade, research them, and add a dormintory to your barracks to recruit the other kingdoms.

[Haldir74]

Yeah I like that idea of adding an upgrade to your fortress. At least now I understand why you did it. I'll let you know if I see anything else that I think could use an update.

Haldir74

[CIL]

Ithilien, the Elven heroes, or at least Elrond are morbidly weak for what you pay for, save Glorfindel, who could probably just use a weak leadership for cavalry. Haldir and Arwen are probably fine, but I never use them. Elrond shouldn't cost 4k. He gets pushed around too much and his stats are too weak. He nearly got killed by a normal creep troll. I had to save him because he couldn't run and couldn't attack. Galadriel's somewhat fixed, but a small boost in attack would be nice. I will say that her powers warrant the price, but... you know... she's still the most powerful living Eldar at this time.

[Neth]

*Zap!*
Could the Elves get a special unit for each sub-faction? Or possibly use these to replace the (Horribly Similar) m.h.h
I have ideas:

Mirkwood - Mirkwood Marksmen - "Sniper" units. v.powerful v.long range but very low health (VERY low health)
Lorien - Lightbearers - Units that do very little damage but each have one of the things Frodo has and debuff & scare enemies
Rivendell - Noldor Riders - Very Very Very Very powerful cavalry like KoDA/Royal Guards (No Weapon toggle though)

P.s - I'm not dead!
P.P.S - Any of those nice Mirkwood buildings to show us?

Edited by Nethelen Narcu, 22 June 2009 - 06:55 PM.

[Vithar-133]

I think the elves each have a similar MHH for the mere reason that each faction is meant to be able to hold it's own against the enemy without the aid of the other groups.

[CTLN7]

i dont like the idea of having aid
you can make your perfect faction best archers from lorien ,spears from mirkwood and fighters from riv
so no weakness

[Vithar-133]

They do not need the help, hence why each of the factions can fight without you having to call the other factions at all. I could play as Rivendell for a whole game, and not summon Lorien or Mirkwood and still be able to win. So, if you don't like the idea of aid, don't summon the other factions. They are just an option. Not a necessity.

[CTLN7]

ive never summoned help from riv or mirkwood (online) but i hate when people get spears when they have archers etc

[{IRS}Athos]

Every faction has spears, and every faction has archers. If you're smart, you'll get both.

[CTLN7]

lorien hasnt great spears
riv hasnt great archers
mirkwood hasnt great swords

[Vithar-133]

Lorien has a balanced focus.

Rivendell has a melee focus.

Mirkwood has an archer focus.


If you want the best of each, summon help. If you wish to challenge yourself, then don't summon help.

[CTLN7]

yeah sure .lorien its good at melee and range ??!!! come on it has the most awful swordman and spearman.you cant be serious