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[Grizzlez]

If all Rob needed was leadership fx he would have done them himself. I'm not going to spend time adding a basic leadership. I'm not making the whole of the heroes, im making a few powers for each and letting Rob finish the rest. If you don't like what i'm doing, speak to Rob and he can find someone to replace me.

@Shikari-thanks for explaining it. I thought I made it clear enough by saying all I wanted was the mega powers so I can make them. Apparently, I wasn't clear enough.

@Allathar-He suggested a range of powers, so it gives me a wide choice to choose from. As it goes a lot of those powers would work great, even for instance if I change them a bit or add the to a different hero. Might give Arwen the water type one instead.

I'm asking for ideas, so if you can't provide me with ideas that I need it might be best not posting.

For 100% clarity. I am the FX coder, sure I can do leaderships and other coding but for this i'm working on special abilities and the FX side. All the ideas I want, are to do with the special abilties, your views and thoughts are fine, but maybe keep it to this topic: Ring Heroes.

This isn't the topic for debating the system, its for me to be able to make the special abilities. Please tell me, along with Shikari's post this is totally clear now?

[Sir Takamahri]

Ok, um, I'm gonna give it a shot.
Some Rohan hero powers:

Theoden: Super trample, units who are trampled that crash into other units squash them, too. No slowdown.

Radagast: Vine whip apears in his hand and snaps it in different directions, and wherever he snaps it small shockwaves appear (like mini word of powers).

Eomer: Improved spear throw where Eomer can shoot a spear at any kind of unit, destroying the whole battalion. Slow cooldown (15 secs).

Not very good, maybe. But at least I tried.

[myster]

ok.

going to kinda contradict myself here but anyway:

Aragorn: power of the dead -> a big wave of the dead army will come from aragorn(maybe go to all directions) and kill all units in their way. Then they would all vanish. (like word of power, but then with army of the dead)

Glorfindel -> Shadow-world lordship -> a bright white flash eminates from glorfindel, extremly damaging everyone in his vicinity(like word of power)

Haldir -> Vicious arrow -> flaming arrow shot with extreme speed, wich explodes likeword of power on impact.

like this 8-)

[Grizzlez]

Yes, thats exactly what i'm looking for. I especially like the AOD power, not sure wether to have it with or without the soldiers, maybe just a green wave? Maybe one of just a wave, one with the soldiers. Not sure. But these are helpful, thanks. I think when exams are done and I start making more, people will increase their imaginations even more based on the ideas I have.

[Rafv Nin IV]

Thank you for explaining it (and not getting too frustrated with my stupidity). I (and doubtless others) was under the impression that every hero from Bilbo to Gandalf was getting an army-killing power. This is now cleared up.

That being said, I still think that these two powers could be used from my previous post:

Subvert--Gloin sets down his axe and switches it to a pickaxe. Miners arise from holes in the ground. The ground becomes full of mine entrances and scaffolding can be seen beneath. These summoned miners do little damage to units but have seige damage equivalent to a Demolisher on aggresive stance. Gloin also wields a pickaxe (like the miners) for the duration, so he loses use of his axe for a while.

This is a 'zomg i killed ur BASE' power, not an army killer, but still could be in this section.

Gimli: Glittering Caves--Stalactites fall from the sky, dealing high damage to units and buildings alike.

In addition, I would like to suggest the following:

Cirdan: (nameless)--Ulmo comes to the aid of the Shipwright. As a Valar, he has devastating water-based power. Ulmo should not be in a humanoid form--perhaps a vicious hailstorm or a tsunami.

[dojob]

If all Rob needed was leadership fx he would have done them himself. I'm not going to spend time adding a basic leadership. I'm not making the whole of the heroes, im making a few powers for each and letting Rob finish the rest. If you don't like what i'm doing, speak to Rob and he can find someone to replace me.

@Shikari-thanks for explaining it. I thought I made it clear enough by saying all I wanted was the mega powers so I can make them. Apparently, I wasn't clear enough.

@Allathar-He suggested a range of powers, so it gives me a wide choice to choose from. As it goes a lot of those powers would work great, even for instance if I change them a bit or add the to a different hero. Might give Arwen the water type one instead.

I'm asking for ideas, so if you can't provide me with ideas that I need it might be best not posting.

For 100% clarity. I am the FX coder, sure I can do leaderships and other coding but for this i'm working on special abilities and the FX side. All the ideas I want, are to do with the special abilties, your views and thoughts are fine, but maybe keep it to this topic: Ring Heroes.

This isn't the topic for debating the system, its for me to be able to make the special abilities. Please tell me, along with Shikari's post this is totally clear now?

Alright, but you should've made this clear earlier :/ it sounded as if you didn't want there to be any buff-based powers at all.

[robnkarla]

I'll throw in my 2 cents about different types of powers.

While I'm open to a wide variety of devastating powers, I think a larger range of powers is also more suiting, with powers outside of the AoE Damage powers. While a 200% attack bonus leadership has a benefit, would it outweigh giving the ring to gandalf?

So what other powers can their be?

- Maybe some should gain powers to control other heroes with rings? Take control of enemy nazguls, Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf, and maybe Arnor's Cirdan if I remember correctly? "Bend to my will" Saruman.
- Maybe giant AoE healing over time, which when corrupted turns into a DoT when corrupted.
- Maybe map wide glorious charge for Theoden.
- any summon units?
- any summon structures?
- passive leadership effects/debuffs
- Large area unresistable meta damage, knock everyone to the floor or stun
- Cause weather change/remove all leadership on the map for enemies

The realm of possibilities with the powers is wide open and please each one does not need to be a variation of WoP. One thing about Ring Powers is that they CAN be over the top, but that does not mean that all SHOULD be.

I've asked Grizzlez and others for help on the coding, as all of these powers regardless of type can be modular based. I really needed help to get all of these done (from FX to behaviors, etc.) as I just don't have the time to do everything in the mod. And thank you to Grizzlez, {IP}Lascar, & Beserkidiot for helping out.

So what can we come up with
Robert J.

Edited by robnkarla, 15 May 2008 - 12:20 AM.

[CIL]

Sounds good

[Grizzlez]

Ye, all I wanted to know was the devastating powers as thats what i'll be making. The leaderships and other powers can be sorted later, i'm just foing fancy fx and powers. We will start work on these in about June after exams, so not that far away.

[mike_]

Let's see...
Glorfindel
-Revealed in Wrath. Freakin' huge pillars of white light extends from each of his limbs and head, and a bolt of white fire runs up and down the length of his sword. His attack rate, damage output, Area of Effect, and attack range all quadriple. Each unit he kills has a small flash of light leap up from their bodies.
-Retribution of the Valar. An eagle-shaped burst of lightning launches from Glorfindel's body (ideally, his outstretched left hand) and, flaming, slams into an area, setting it on fire and pretty much killing anything inside it's radius. Oh, triggers a MASSIVE explosion tinged with lightning bolts and spires of white flame erupting from its centre.
That good?
Cheers,
-mike

[CIL]

Me likee!!!

[myster]

Gandalf -> Flame of Udun(or whatever the good side is) -> a big flame will come out the ground on the selected points, setting everyone on fire.

Saruman -> Power of the Voice -> Converting everyone in a BIG radius to your side permanently, including heroes.
-> Thunder -> a big thundercloud will appear, then thunderbolts will crash in to the ground killing everyone who is hit by it.

Radagast -> The horde -> a horde of various animals will appear wich will stampede trough enemy ranks, killing everyone in their path.
-> Vinewhip -> large vines will sprout out of the ground, slamming on it afterwards killing people(alot like the watcher)

Elrond -> Wind-blast -> a large blast of wind will throw everyone away for a big distance(something like wizardsblast but then not limited to just before Elrond, but in a big area.

Galadriel -> Flooding -> a large area will become ''flooded'', killing units and damiging structures.
-> Time-control -> Enemy units in a large radius will stand motionless for a long time.

Legolas-> Destructive archer -> Arrows will fly out in all directions killing multiple people at once(maybe by flying trough them)

[TowerGuard418]

I think the fire for the good guys is the flame of Arnor. Gandalf shouts something like that at the Balrog.

[Grizzlez]

Some of these might require more than just fx, like the vines, so they would be worked on later. Genrally a lot of these are really good so far so thanks a lot, plenty to get on with. Even though some powers will be similar, i'll try me best to make them all unique and no cheap copies across a load of heroes. The more ideas for any heroes you can think of are great because it gives me a wide choice of powers to use.

@Myster, I actually had the same idea of the Flame Of Udun except for Saruman called Fires Of Isen. Maybe I could have a forest spawn, highly flammable, that sets alight with fire from the ground? Nt totally sure, might just have fire rise up.

Ive got an idea for a hero, where lava/fire rises up and fire runs down outwards in all directions, it instantly burns the weaker enemies and severely damages/kills heroes-depending on their health and armor, was thinking of Fires of Mount Doom and try to make it like a lava explosion-so maybe for Sauron?

Edited by Grizzlez, 15 May 2008 - 02:28 PM.

[xno The Black]

The Dark fire will not avail you, "Flame of Udun"!

Isn't that what he shout at the balrog? and before that is said something as Towerguard said.

Gandalf's name for the Balrog that dwelt in the depths of Moria, that he faced on the Bridge of Khazad-dûm, and ultimately defeated. 'Flame' is a reference to its nature as a fire-demon, while 'Udûn' was the name of Morgoth's oldest and greatest fortress in the north of the World, more commonly called Utumno, and the Balrog's ancient home

-Encyclopedia of Arda

I like the idea of Flame of Udun. Will he get a bubble shield when he claims the ring? I think not.

About the Lava Explosion, I think that would be cool, but I think we should wait for the other ideas to come.

Edited by xno The Black, 15 May 2008 - 02:43 PM.

[Allathar]

Thanks Grizz, I understand now

[Grizzlez]

Some heroes, especially the wizards will probably get 3-4 big powers. What you need to understand is when the ring is dropped, its a race to the ring with heroes. In most games, it won't be heroes like Gandalf and Saruman who regularly get it.

[robnkarla]

Exactly, when you play with the ring in game, it will really vary on who will have the ring. Do you hunt out the ring as soon as you can, spending all your money on the hero that you want to use the ring, opening your base to lax defences?

I'm tempted to look into a timer on when the ring will "drop", randomly between like 2-5 minutes into the game or maybe longer. With the strength for the good side to use it, I don't want it to be found and used in the first minute or 2 (Men - Ivory tower & Faramir/Damrod and you have the ring in the first 3 minutes on a 4000 game.) This will be an area to balance it somewhat. Though I now have to look at making the eye of sauron a purchasable upgrade that can "upgrade" to Sauron a little quicker than current.

And also, there is as much use in getting the ring to keep your enemy from finding it. (Remember there are no announcements when the ring is found, dropped, etc. So you don't know if/when your enemy has the ring until you see it.

Robert J.

p.s. similar to CaH, this is an option that you can turn off and on. Right now I rarely will play a game with ring heroes turned on unless it's a comp stomp. All of this is supposed to turn this ring functionality into something that we can all enjoy while being a little closer to the lore so we are not all resurrecting different dead heroes for each faction.

Edited by robnkarla, 15 May 2008 - 05:04 PM.

[Grizzlez]

Frodo and the hobbits won't have big mad explosions, however the Wizards and people like Elrond and Arwen who seem to posses some sort of magic will be able to wield the ring with devastating powers-it will also increase abilities of men, just not necessarily all with big wop. I mean, imagine Gothmog exploding with a load of magic, that would be wierd, it may give him the power for instance to command beasts like wargs to him automatically-just an idea where he takes over all wargs and riders permenatly when power is used. There's lots of possibilties, for some of the weaker heroes it might only be invisibilty and increased health with one kind of decent attack.

By the way, Rob I think all heroes should have an invilisbilty power where they can go invisible and run around but cant attack-but maybe have the Nazgul somehow able to see them anywhere on map-like a hero with the ring currently they would automatically know where the ring is when worn and would go to try to get it-like a small vision around the hero.

[Allathar]

That could work

I.e. if you have a Nazgul, you'll see the ring icon on the mini-map if it's dropped - which kinda 'draws' Nazgul to the ring